Pan-Aryanism

well,  I said  1st  make  Iranian nation

Religion is the only thing that unites Muslims (the predominant religion of Iranian speaking peoples across the world.)

may unite moslims but separate others
check it:
Parsi: http://www.baztab.ir/news/30794.php

or Iran & Iraq relation:
Parsi: http://www.baztab.ir/news/30916.php


Edited by Land of Aryan

All the European nations are also Aryan (I'm not sure about the Basques - over to Maju on that one). So is Northern India.

You can't be 'pan-Aryan' if you only focus on one branch of the family.

 

The problems/questions I have with this pan iranian idea;

On who's terms would this uniting be in? Persians?
What would be the lingua franca? If Farsi why not pushtun?
What other common ground apart from an idea of common background?

This sound more like a pan-persian idea, if im right then very independant minded; kurds, pushtuns, baluchi or even tadziks may not agree on this type thinking.

By legitimising pan Iranian logic dont you see this legitimises pan-turks and pan arabs? would you had over turkish and arab speaking regions for iranian ones or just keep those anyway?

On the idea of Islam as a uniting factor. i thought Islam go beyonds ethnic distinction so how can that be used in a pan-ethnic idealogy? What about Iranians that are Sunni?

I say, think it through more carefully before you suggest such things.




Edited by Leonidas

Zagros, actaully i thought that a while ago.

It would be the only way you can get a buy-in from the other groups. Iran would have to let go of some central powers, lets say eductaion, internal security and so forth, giving the others more say and control on their own affairs. In return; a confederal pact on mutual defense, EU type open borders/currency  and a NATO type command that ties in the military units into one force, that only looks out to external (non shared) borders.

First hurdle, the mullahs and theocracy. Next would be getting persians to give back some central control to other groups. Then you would have to convince Iranian people from places like afghanistan, kurdistan to belive they would be better off by joining.

I actauly like such a idea, its got nothing to do with religion and its looser structure preserves the variety within the broader Iranic group.

It would be easier to cede control from within, than create countries from without. I would say we have a very similar idea though. Tribalism and xenophobia would be really hard to break, esp in the romote parts. Not having a stab at persians, but persian chuavism could be added as a hurdle to.

sometime BC

 

Originally posted by azimuth sometime BC

Azimuth, we don't live  in "sometimes BC" anymore. We are civilized people with respect for laws. Persian Gulf is recognised by two UN directives and so this is the official name for this Gulf. Arabs couldn't change this, only if they are fancy with it.

You know for sure changing of persian gulf to Arabian gulf is an anti iranian politic, and i await from a moderator don't support any kind of politics in this forum and establish a flame war. 

Edited by Maziar

lol

Arabs are not complaining about a name change or anything, they just decided to change the name from Persian to Arabian.

and as i said before this gulf had one of the oldest civilizations on earth, made kingdoms and empires and these kingdoms and empires called that Gulf different names so far i know that it was called "The Bitter Sea" and "The Lower Sea" and these names were before Persian had their first empire.

my whole point is that this gulf wasn't called Persian Gulf all the time, it had older names too.

so calling it with a different name now isn't something new.

anyway i explained my opinion about this issue  here

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6127& ;PN=4

so lets not deviate from "this" thread's topic more than this and if you wish to continue plz do it in the link above.

 

 

Originally posted by azimuth Arabs are not complaining about a name change or anything, they just decided to change the name from Persian to Arabian.

Nice decision
But when Did arabs decide to change name??
Sometime AD??

Originally posted by azimuth my whole point is that this gulf wasn't called Persian Gulf all the time, it had older names too. so calling it with a different name now isn't something new.

ok, Azimut, If the changing name is usual act, then we may decide change name of southern coast of PERSIAN gulf to land of paranoia

Originally posted by azimuth anyway i explained my opinion about this issue  here http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6127& ; ; ; ; ; ;PN=4 so lets not deviate from "this" thread's topic more than this and if you wish to continue plz do it in the link above

I think first you deviated

Originally posted by azimuth about the persian gulf, the Persians did change the name of that gulf as their liking too what makes it so hard to get when Arab states who have the larger area of that gulf deciding to change it to their liking?

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hey admins, there is no law for a moderetor which don't recpect to role no.6

6. Nationalism, derogatory remarks to national or ethnic groups, jingoism, bigotry, racism, political propaganda. (see below)

& make nationalism struggle



Edited by Land of Aryan

I hereby declare that the Arabian Sea be renamed as the Sea of Iran and that the Gulf of Oman be renamed as "Persian Gulf II"