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Women 'get blame for being raped'
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Fewer than 6% of reported rapes result in a conviction
A third of people believe a woman is partially or completely responsible for being raped if she has behaved flirtatiously, a survey suggests.

The Amnesty International poll of 1,000 people also found over 25% believe she is at least partly to blame if she has worn revealing clothing or been drunk.

Amnesty says the "shocking" findings show government policies are failing.

And the director of public prosecutions told the BBC the report "highlights some areas of real concern".

Ken Macdonald QC, who is in charge of prosecutions in England and Wales, spoke to BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour.

"The idea that a third of our people think that if a woman flirts she has only herself to blame if she is raped is, I think, quite shocking," he said.

"These are jury trials. The jury is the community in the courtroom and it is reasonable to suppose the jury brings into the courtroom a lot of the attitudes we have been reading about."

The Home Office says it has changed the law to try to improve conviction rates.

"We have made a number of changes to the legal system and to how the police and Crown Prosecution Service work, to put victims needs first and to make it easier for cases to get to trial and secure convictions," a spokesman said.

Rape is an appalling crime and has a devastating effect on victims and those close to them. Nobody asks to be raped
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"We are determined to close the gap between the increasing number of rape cases reported and the low number of convictions."

However, the Amnesty poll, carried out by ICM, found that most people in Britain had no idea how many women were raped every year in the UK or how few of the cases reported to police resulted in a conviction.

Almost all, 96%, said they either did not know the true extent of rape or thought it was far lower than the true figure. Just 4% thought the number of women raped exceeded 10,000.

The number of recorded rapes of women in 2004/5 was 12,867 - up 4% on the year before - although police estimate that just 15% of rapes come to their attention. Only 6% of reported rapes result in a conviction.

'Disturbing attitudes'

Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen said the poll, part of its Stop Violence Against Women campaign, had uncovered "disturbing attitudes".

She said: "It is shocking that so many people will lay the blame for being raped at the feet of women themselves and the government must launch a new drive to counteract this sexist 'blame culture'."

The research exposed the scale of public ignorance over rape as well as the "dreadfully low" conviction rates, she added.

"The government has an international duty to prevent this gross human rights violation yet it's clear that the government's policies on tackling rape are failing and failing badly."

Joanna Perry, policy manager at Victim Support, said it was alarming to read that so many people appeared to believe that a woman was responsible for inviting a rape or sexual assault.

'Devastating effect'

"Rape is an appalling crime and has a devastating effect on victims and those close to them. In other words, nobody asks to be raped," she added.

And Ruth Hall, from the support group Women Against Rape, criticised "prejudices" in the court system.

"They still put the woman on trial, including her sexual history with other men, which is supposed to be banned and blame the woman for what happened to her and hold her accountable," she said.


Unbelievable that so many people blame women themselves for being raped. There's still a lot to be changed in people's mentality.
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Well theres a difference between wearing slightly revealing clothing and flirting, and then whoring yourself around. The ones that whore themselves around should understand the consequences of what they do. But in reality, most women who get raped arent ones that whore themselves around (because whores have sex willingly); victims cover a wide range, from the casual flirter/revealing dressers to just plain everyday women. Even old women have been raped in their own homes...i guess its her fault for not wearing barbed wire around her crotch at all times, right?

Anyways, theres nothing i dislike more than rapists. They should get solitary confinement for life...let them try to rape their concrete cell.

Another thing i dislike are women that have sex willingly and then accuse the man of rape. Its not common, but it happens, and it pisses me off. They are partly to blame for this blame-culture towards women. The group that is mostly to blame are the blamers themselves.

Only 6% of reported rapes result in a conviction.


Thats inexcusable...what is the reason that such a low number of reported rapes result in convictions?
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One of the biggest reasons is the complication that alot of rapes occur within a marriage. For many in the jury the fact that they were married somehow equates to the woman already subscribing herself to a life-time of attending to her husband's sexual needs, an attitude which needs to change.

Rape is extremely hard to prove also. Witnesses, naturally, tend to be scarce. Also if the rape is a one off, many women must wait a long time to get over their shame and guilt before they report it, by which time the physical evidence ofthe crime has healed or is no longer present.

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 04:06
Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

Well theres a difference between wearing slightly revealing clothing
and flirting, and then whoring yourself around. The ones
that whore themselves around should understand the consequences of what
they do. But in reality, most women who get raped arent ones that
whore themselves around (because whores have sex willingly); victims
cover a wide range, from the casual flirter/revealing dressers to just plain everyday women. Even old women have
been raped in their own homes...i guess its her fault for not wearing
barbed wire around her crotch at all times, right?


Ignoring the quite disturbing talk about "whores" (in that case, 99% of the men are whores as well), putting any guilt on girls who dress scantily is quite disgusting IMHO. No women should ever have to worry about getting raped when walking around in a miniskirt (and not only because I'd like them to continue doing just that). If some neanderthal cannot control himself, the guilt is to 100% on him. Otherwise I agree with you.


Only 6% of reported rapes result
in a conviction.


Thats inexcusable...what is the reason that such a low number of reported rapes result in convictions?

Probably lack of evidence, it's often words standing against words.efit: Constantine covered that well.

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When you rape someone,you steal her soul...

Hence,I consider the crime rape equal to the crime murder.

People are just not aware of what a serious crime rape is

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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

(in that case, 99% of the men are whores as well)

That's a good point. People tend to think negative about women who have sex with many people, calling them sluts or whores. But men who have sex with many people... there isn't even a word for that.
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  Quote TheDiplomat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 07:50

Originally posted by Mixcoatl


Unbelievable that so many people blame women themselves for being raped. There's still a lot to be changed in people's mentality.

The main reason,I think,has got to do with porn.

Experts of social psychology had already tested men in the 1970s by letting them watch porn and subsequently asking their perceptions on women.The result is that after watching porn ,people tend to view women much more in terms of sexual meanings,and accept violance against women more.



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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 07:54
I'm not sure sure, the whole 'women are raped because of their behaviour' vibe is pretty old and conservative, it really isn't new at all, just that by now you'd expect most people to know better.
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  Quote morticia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 09:48
Well, It saddens me to read articles with statistics such as these, but, unfortunately, we still live in a society where women are judged by the clothes they wear, the makeup they wear, their physical appearance, and anything considered "provocative", to place a label on her. It usually works against her in the event of a trial against her rapist in court, as it comes down to a matter of her word against his. He'll say it was consentual, and she'll say it was forcible rape. Since there are usually no witnesses present at the time of the act/assault, the accused is acquitted.





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Oh... here we go again... another issue in blaming woman as the reason for something which is affecting herself rather than others...

Existing topic we have.. "abortion: is it a muder?".. pointing at women as the one who should be blamed for killing her own baby.. .. well even though she's the one who need to suffer more thn anyone..but this topic, no need to be discussed in here...

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A third of people believe a woman is partially or completely responsible for being raped if she has behaved flirtatiously, a survey suggests.

what about women who didnt flirt why they are being raped too? This is ridiculous...

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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 12:08

Something like 4/5 rapes happen between people who know each other according to UK crime stats.  For that 1/5, it can be a woman jumped while walking home at night, dresses scantily bla bla.

Although i don't think it is the woman's fault in the slightest, the way she was dressed might make her more of a desireable target for the rapist.

Something else about the poll: I wouldn't be surprised in the least if half of the people who said that it is the woman's fault were women themselves.

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seem like people are blaming woman because she's a woman...

for me, this is soooo... unacceptable...

Anyway... as a woman.. to prevent from being involved in this tragic incident... it is her responsiblity to avoid as much as she can so she wont be an easy target to an attack... therefore.. any woman out there.. dont walk alone at night ... lock your door.. ensure tht there are enough security in ur home.. dont talk too strangers... learn any type of martial arts .. maybe tht can help in emergency situation but there are some cases it is not an efficient prevention method...  oh ya... if you go to shopping complex.. dont go alone to the basement.. it is the highest risk location of rape incident.. Be careful.... ! coz if someone attacks u.. it's ur fault.. (huh!!! what a ridiculous opinion )

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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 13:13

I will not say it is woman guilt,(this is realy stupid) but I think,  showing mostly one side of woman(sexual side) dont help situation much.

I am always curious why woman legs make cars more attractive.

 

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A woman, or any person should have the right to walk skin naked through the neighbourhood and not get raped.
Principally i meen.
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Originally posted by TheDiplomat

The main reason,I think,has got to do with porn.


Experts of social psychology had already tested menin the 1970s by letting them watch porn and subsequently askingtheir perceptions on women.The result is that after watching porn ,people tend to view women much more in terms of sexual meanings,and accept violance against women more.



I doubt it. It would somehow mean rape was less common before porn became available. It might surely have some effect, but I think it's rather negligible in the big picture.
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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 14:07
Originally posted by Kalevipoeg

A woman, or any person should have the right to walk skin naked through the neighbourhood and not get raped.


I fully agree. It's pointless and rude to talk about women's dress regarding this crime.

I also think that convicted rapists should be surgically castrated. That would solve the problem, as many rapists are reincidents.


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Originally posted by cahaya

seem like people are blaming woman because she's a woman...

If you are referring to me then you misinterpreted my post.

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  Quote Mila Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 14:39
That's perhaps one of the only good things to come
out of the war here. Rape was so common and was
committed against women of so many different
social classes and lifestyles that it's not considered
to be the fault of the woman at all, even now that we
have peace.

Before the war, though, it was different.

Raping lesbians, for example, was considered a
public service.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

Ignoring the quite disturbing talk about "whores" (in that case, 99% of the men are whores as well), putting any guilt on girls who dress scantily is quite disgusting IMHO. No women should ever have to worry about getting raped when walking around in a miniskirt (and not only because I'd like them to continue doing just that). If some neanderthal cannot control himself, the guilt is to 100% on him. Otherwise I agree with you.


No no, i didnt mean women who dress revealing should have to worry about anything. I was simply saying the ones who completely throw themselves on men on a consistent basis should not be surprised that some psycho is sexually interested in her. No one should have to die for not wearing a seatbelt, but the truth is that it happens. Same thing with women who throw themselves on men, they shouldnt be raped, but the truth is some of them do. Thats just reality. But as i said, MOST rape victims are just everyday women, and that this blame thats thrown on women for being raped is complete nonsense. Anyway, i think we're on the same page on this issue.

And i never denied that most men are whores, i just chose not to comment on it
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Originally posted by Mixcoatl

Originally posted by Styrbiorn

(in that case, 99% of the men are whores as well)

That's a good point. People tend to think negative about women who have sex with many people, calling them sluts or whores. But men who have sex with many people... there isn't even a word for that.

There is at least in America, pimp, and it's considered a great compliment to be called a pimp.

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