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Hello all! There is so much to learn about the Baha'i Faith! I have been a Baha'i follower for 2 years by now but still I feel like I know just a little bit about it.

When anyone asks me why did I become a Baha'i, I say "you and I should have a longer conversation". Tongue

But I guess long story short, I chose this faith because unlike almost all other religions, Baha'i Faith promotes the principle of unity among the world's religions. It is so unusual especially when you hear that every confession considers itself THE RIGHT ONE, and condemns others. 

I can't stand it in religion, I think the main goal should be peace and unity, not hegemony. 

Anyway, for those who want to learn more about the Baha'i Faith, please listen to this amazing online faith radio that became my favorite from the first day I found it. There is great spiritual music combined with faith talks and Baha'i teachings. You can always stay tuned cuz it is online radio which doesn't require anything except your phone and the Internet connection. 

Enjoy! Best wishes!
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2013 at 14:45
Originally posted by yomud

remember  because they build their first temple in ashgabat dosn't mean we have bahai turkmen  the temple destroyed in earthquake 


I have read that the first Bahais in Turkmenistan were Persian immigrants not local Turkmens
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2013 at 19:09
remember  because they build their first temple in ashgabat dosn't mean we have bahai turkmen  the temple destroyed in earthquake 
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 13:51
Originally posted by yomud

their first temple was build in ashabad 


WOW, I learnt something newBig smile

Originally posted by yomud


what places are holy for them in turkey ??


The house of prophet in Edirne. He stayed in there nearly two years

http://www.turkeytour.net/istanbul-tour-packages/daily-tours-to-bahai-holy-places.html
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 03:34
well i don't know anything about them too Except iranian gov don't like them so much and their first temple was build in ashabad  what places are holy for them in turkey ??
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2013 at 10:28
There are three steps in my life

1-As a secular guy, talking about someone's religion is a rude act for me. It should stay in private.
so even when the time we had bahai neighours, I never talked this issue. I stayed away

2-When I saw this

Bahai temple in India

I thought that it was something like Budism-Hindusim-Scientology;
Human made peace religion which means nice  but establish by force, it hasn't got history or culture

3- After reading visit of Bahai  prophet to Edirne and Istanbul, seeing that he comes from Islamic world and after learn that some places in Turkey are holy for them, also Turkey has 10.000 bahai (it is more then greeks now), I start to feel sympathy against it.

but I still don't know anything about them

now they have a place up of my head(Turkish idiom which means you are welcome)
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  Quote Maziar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 13:52

Originally posted by Arpad

yes there are Baha'i in Malayisa, including my cousins who are half chinese and half Iranian. There are Baha'i all around the world aswell.

Hi Arpad, very interesting, are they iranian bahaai which moved there? or they are malay in origin?

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There are officially around 2000 baha'is in Singapore, but like all religions some are more active than others.

In malaysia there are a lot of Baha'is.

Baha'is are one of the 9 official religions in Singapore, but I don't know about Malaysia.

As we tend to be apolitical, we try to stay out of the limelight.
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  Quote oTToMAn_TurK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 22:32

what i dnt get is that in the koran there is not even a slight saying that prophicises the coming of a new prophit after mohammed. if anything it talks about coming of false prophits but never anymore prophits after mohammed (pbuh). the jews holy book prohpised that that the messaih, jesus, would come adn also a another prohit "like" moses (wich was mohammed coz jesus wasnt "lik" moses). the bible (although this claim isnt popular among christians) also talks about a coming of a new prophit after jesus. why there isnt no proof in the koran that there will be a new prophit?

in islam its very dangerous to say or believe in mohammed, while not believing he is the last and seal of all prophets. so it is very hard for most muslims to convert to the bahai faith. not denying it probly happens ofcourse

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  Quote Arpad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 22:16
yes there are Baha'i in Malayisa, including my cousins who are half chinese and half Iranian. There are Baha'i all around the world aswell.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 19:33

Originally posted by fastspawn

Forgive me for posting out of turn, as I am a Baha'i and not a Muslim.

Just needed to add my 2-bits.

Nabih, Rasul (I believe some of the friends here were looking for the terms to describe the distinctiong between Messengers and Prophets)

Yes Muhammed is the Seal of the Prophets(Khatam'un Nabi-een). The term Khatam is used in the Quran. If you know, Khatam is used to mean seal as in ornament. The more commonly used term Khatim meaning final or last is not used. The question has never been throroughly debated though. And i shan't because i do not feel i am qualified enough

In the Baha'i Faith, we believe that the Word of God is so powerful, that every sentence has many meanings. (either 5000 or 50000, i am not a scholar of the Baha'i writings, so i cannot remember. This is of course maybe figurative but the essence of the statement is that Man interprets the Word of God as he wills, and will tend to dismiss all other interpretations).
Of course I can see that the same can be applied for all us.

I will just post a link to some reasons behind Seal of the Prophets (not official). Do take time to read it if you will

http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/seal.htm

To azimuth, yes in a sense, Baha'u'llah was born a Shia Muslim, and declares that Shia Islam was the true branch of descent from True Islam, not Sunni, or other branches.

But still how does being born a Shia, mean that the Baha'i Faith is a branch of Shia Islam? The Baha'is declare themselves as a true, independant religion, that should by itself mean that it is no longer a brance.

Otherwise, we can declare Christianity a branch of Orthodox Judaism.

Hai fastspawn... just a curious here... are u a malay, chinese or indian? how many Baha'i already in Singapore....? Does ur government acknowledge ur faith? Do u guys have any follower in Malaysia?

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Hello,

Practicing physical punishment by many parents dont legalize it. It is still a false method. I didnt mean there must be no sanction at all. If you are talking about "fearing" your father, so i just can think about physical punishment.

Sorry for misunderstanding you

No problem my friend.

   I know that most of the time, people think that punishment of parents means only physical one. Which is definitely a useless process that causes harm instead.

   Since Im a religious person (or trying to be), I like to take my examples out of my religious teaching where the Prophet not only has never used his hand beating, he has never shouted or insulted his daughter Fatima or even his servant Anas, not even telling him "why you didn't do that" for things he didn't do. One story i love is when once a time his wife Aisha got jealous from a gift the prophet received and she threw the plate on the floor breaking it in front of other companions. If it was me, I have no clue what I will be doing. Maybe furious and shouting on her. However the prophet just smiled and sayed "your mother got jealous". 

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  Quote Maziar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 12:50
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Originally posted by Maziar

 Anger and punishment aren't an effective method for decent education. Fearing parents will causes many mental problemes in futur.

It's the same thing in relation with God. Why do you need to "fear" a god for being decent?

Sure. Find me a parent who never ever got angry and never ever punished their kids.

I personally never seen that and punishment does not have to be physical. It is something common sense that we have punishing results for your wrong work. Punishment is a part of the educational system actually, which is from receiving F for your low performance in class, being asked to stay in your room for the night by your parent, cut in your monthly salary by your employee, fines of speeding, all the way to prison and execution. That is realism, however, if you believe in managing human beings with no punishment, i respect your ultra-idealistic belief.

Hello,

Practicing physical punishment by many parents dont legalize it. It is still a false method. I didnt mean there must be no sanction at all. If you are talking about "fearing" your father, so i just can think about physical punishment.

Sorry for misunderstanding you



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  Quote fastspawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 10:43
The reason it is difficult to use that example as a miracle is that he didn't perform one. He bluffed his way out of it.


I am sorry you feel so strongly about miracles. I am not here to proselytize nor convert so i didn't feel the need or had the ability to list everything that Baha'u'llah did and said down.

That is why I asked for miracles in his book or later proved to miracle because those stands as witness of the faith and hardly disputable. For example, Quran's scientific miracles are hardly disputed and easy to use in examples.


I regretfully am ignorant and need to know what scientific miracles are.
Are we talking about prophecies about the state of the world as predicted?
I am going to quote a few from the book by Gary L. Matthews "The Challenges of Baha'u'llah.
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1. The fall of Napoleon III, given in 1868. We remember him falling in 1870 to Prussia, thanks to the emergence of the diplomatic hand of Bismarck. Prior to this Napoleon was almost able to restore his uncles legacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_III

2. The defeat of Germany in TWO bloody wars after their defeat of the French, leading to the "lamentation of Berlin". We know what happened, it is probably the biggest news in the 20th century.

3. The success and stability of Queen Victoria (and her progeny). Well not that obvious taking Fergie's dalliances and all. But still they are definately more stable now then ever.

4. The dismissal of Ali-Pasha and violent deposal of Sultan Abdul Aziz. This might seem a bit obvious in hindsight. But one of the noted clerical opponents of Baha'u'llah, Mirza Abdul Fadl, used this "prophecy" to point out that it was so improbable, that he vowed to join the ranks of the Baha'is if that happened.
In 1876, after the dismissal of Ali-Pasha, Abdul Aziz was killed in a conspiracy.
Mirza Abu'l Fadl, upon reminder of his promise, (after some thought), retired from his post as head of the Madrisih Hakim Hashim, and became a respected Baha'i

5. The fall of the Ottoman Empire. That is also a no-brainer to me. Ottoman Empire is the sick man of europe. But I don't have the gumption to make a prophecy like that.

6. The fall of Nasri-din-shah. In 1896, he was killed by an assassin. 2 Baha'is paid the price, Varqa a poet and his 12 year old son. It turned out that the assassin was a pan-islamist, Mirza Rida. Apparently Nasri-din-Shah probably aware of all the prophecies that were coming true (the fall of Napoleon and the Sultans), started becoming more moderate, and on his assassination's date planned on renounicing his prerogatives as a despot and stop persecution of Bahai's. That of course led to the Islamist Rida to crazed fanaticism.

7. Creation of the State of Israel following their persecution in Europe.

8. Violent Racial Struggles in America. (This was attributed to Abdul-Baha in 1912).

(end this section for brevity)
For now I shall stop with social prophecies and focus on Scientific ones.

1. The blossoming of scientific and technological progress. This is quite clear if you compare 1850-present how much has changed. one of the first few technologies "that brought the world closer", the invention of the telegraph and telephone and the development of flight, motorized transport et al.

2. The development of nuclear weapons. saying it will change the atmosphere and contaminate the earth.

3. alludes to the process as a transmutation of the elements. Brings to bear again the fact that this discovery will be very dire.

4. And several others within the book, which i am a bit too tired to type out.

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Again, I think these prophecies are not even worth an ounce towards whether i believe or disbelieve Baha'u'llah's teachings, I am just stating that to correct people who might think that Baha'u'llah never did have any "miracles".
For physical miracles I only have to say that the Bab was shot by a firing squad of 750 rifles and was not killed. That full story I shan't elaborate for now.

Again all these interpretations of prophecies, are Matthews personal interpretation, and should not be taken and completely believed as canon.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 09:18
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Well as you said, it is difficult to use that example as a miracle

The reason it is difficult to use that example as a miracle is that he didn't perform one. He bluffed his way out of it.

 

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  Quote Jhangora Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 09:02

Religion,Nationality,Race,Language........all these identities r intertwined.Can we think outside these boundaries.My personal opinion is .....it's nearly impossible for an average human being to do so.N even though we might be able to break free of these boundaries for a short while .....when we r within our GROUP of people...'Mass Psychology' takes over.

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  Quote Arpad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 08:40

Allah'u'Abha fastspawn how are you. LOL

The story you gave about the Miracle they wanted Baha'u'llah to perform, I was going to write the exact same story lol. But i thought not, but then you did so it must have been God's will

 

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so as per Shia Islam ( which Bahaullah approved ) the Mahdi will Get the people to correct Islam and justic in the world Not a totally different religion.

I understand this, but wasn't the knew messanger from Christianity supposed to come down from Clouds in a white horse (Not quite sure) etc., Did Muhammad come to the people like that? no., thats why we believe that these are symbolic in meaning. Maybe fastspawn can go further into this, im scared with my bad english i might write something not good ))

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  Quote fastspawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2005 at 01:40
Azimuth,

I am sorry if I have not being as clear as I have wished to be.

What I said about Shia Islam is that, that branch was the correct succession of Islam.

Again in Islam, as with all religions, man will corrupt the religion and introduce dogmas and superstitions based upon their own interpretations of the Word of God.

And all religions, if they come from God, are correct. None is wrong. it is just that we need new social laws, and a greater understanding of man's role that comes with our combined maturity.
That is why we have a progressive revelation, as God will never leave Man alone to fend for himself, yet he cannot reveal everything to Man at once as Man cannot swallow it.
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ok, if he considered the Shia branch of Islam is the correct one, why would he makes a new religion??

As per muslim belive Jesus came and considered Judaisim as a corrupted religion and he had to get it to the right direction also when Islam Came it considered both judaisim and christianity as corrupted religions ( corrupted by their people) and Islam is the continuation of these religions but in the right un-corrupted way.

so as per Shia Islam ( which Bahaullah approved ) the Mahdi will Get the people to correct Islam and justic in the world Not a totally different religion.

so tell me how can he considered any religion to be the True one while he makes a new one.

obviously he might thought that those religions are NOT the correct ones and a new one must be made to replace them.

 

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