The 2nd Gulf War, Why?

Israel has not and is not threatening anyone with theirs.  Enither are we.  Should we invade every country with WMD?  No, only threatening ones.

And it is still very likely that Iraq could have weapons in the desert.  Must I say again that experts say it will take 300 years to search all the desert, even with technology!

Maju, I am critical of the amount of US tax payer money that goes to Israel and critical of the degree of
their reactive campaigns. I have sympathy for all good Palestinians and them attaining their own sovereign
country, but more patience is needed and the suicide bombing must stop. No.. financing Hamas, a strait up
terrorist organization which directly attacks and kills civilians is not honorable. Criticize Israel, but the PA could use your support, not Hamas.

As far as the Palestinian cause being as legitimate as the French, ect. in WWII, I disagree. Palestine is
not a state nor has it ever been. Strapping on bombs and blowing up buses has never been the "American Way".

Originally posted by Yannis I would have expected more reason from you Cattus, this claim was ridiculed so many times that I did not expect you to repeat it here.

Sorry to dissapoint,Yannis.
As objective as I try to be on concrete things, I am still subject to my own opinion sometimes.
AS far as Iraq being the no.1 nation that openly supported terrorism, is this not true, I could be wrong, which was?

This being ridiculed many times itself, does not make it not true. Also, if I remember right, Saddam was the only head of state that openly praised the 9/11 attacks.
Anyway,Decebal wanted Iraqi terrorist ties before the US went in, so I gave some examples.

Dont expect more from me, because unlike some people here as Im about to show, I can actually think for myself...

Originally posted by Spartakus They could have thrown him in 1991.They deliberatly left a dictator in power for 10 years,putting embargo and starving Iraqis,and then "suddenly" the President "cared" for them and went to liberatethem.Terrorism is nothing more than a political propaganda.Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 or Osama.Saddam's regime was not a religious one,but a cosmic one.Religious extremists were his enemies.Iraq has a great geostrategic position,near Iran and Middle East.So control of Iraq,gives you control of the area near it.

*Sigh* Overthrowing Saddam in 1991 was not the UN objective."Suddenly" went in there? Do you know nothing of what went on for the past decade and how Saddam continualy thumbed his nose at the world? I cant believe that the US did not invade Iraq sooner!

Who said Iraq had ties with Al Qaeda or 9/11.. even so, how are you so sure they did not?

What difference does it make that Iraq was secular when it was led by an insane dictator that allowed the bases of religious extemist to run and gladly harbored known terrorist?

Ask Jordan if all terrorism is,is nothing more than a political propaganda.

Originally posted by cattus Ask Jordan if all terrorism is,is nothing more than a political propaganda.

As in Lebanon, some many Jordans seem to believe that Israel is behind those indiscriminate attacks. At least that was what I read yesterday in either BBC or Aljazeera (can't recall).

Personally I am very suspicious of indiscriminate attacks, as they can only serve the cause of the enemy. And, well, I've read The Impassble American, an excelent book to re-read in these troubled times.

Originally posted by Thegeneral The point I am trying to make, and possibly Cattus, is that there is it is a "could be could not be" situation.  There could be WMD in Iraq or there could not be any.  Until we have conclusive evidence either way, I will not be content.  If we search all through Iraq and find nothing, so be it.  However, the same goes for if we find WMD.  You must be open minded that there is a possibility that there are or were WMD in Iraq.  Why must you say that there is no chance of Iraq having WMD?

"Heads,I win;Tails,you lose".

This was a calm discussion before you nim-rods came in with your closed mindedness!  We came to an agreement over the actualy topic, now we have gotten so far off to where you must spew more BUSH LIED nonsense!  There is no evidence to that.  And if Bush lied, all of Congress lied.  Yet even congress can't find the evidence to say he AND THEY lied!  GET OVER IT!

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi e. Iraq had actually started to sell its petrol in return for euro instead of dollar before the war. If all oil producers change to euro from the dollar, America will be up the creek without a paddle.

That is very true. This is a very overlooked cause, but I think it was in fact the single most important reason America went to war against Iraq.

Originally posted by Thegeneral But someones got to do it in this overly liberal society!

In what way is the USA 'liberal'?

(in the original meaning liberal=free market supporter it is, but I assume you mean 'leftwing' when you say liberal)

Originally posted by Thegeneral We are a free marcket, but I ment left-wing.

But in what way is the USA leftist?

Originally posted by Thegeneral This was a calm discussion before you nim-rods came in with your closed mindedness!  We came to an agreement over the actualy topic, now we have gotten so far off to where you must spew more BUSH LIED nonsense!  There is no evidence to that.  And if Bush lied, all of Congress lied.  Yet even congress can't find the evidence to say he AND THEY lied!  GET OVER IT!

There is evidence that G. Bush lied about WMDs and Iraq. He claimed that Saddam was actively seeking to aquire Uranium from Nigeria in the days leading up to the war. Ambassador Graham, who was on the scene in Africa, refuted the claim and as a reward for his years of service to U.S. the Bush administration released the classified identity of his wife who was a CIA agent. "Scooter" Libby, Dick Chennys chief of staff and an advisor to Bush has been indicted on ferderal charges related to the case, Carl Rove in all likelyhood will be next. The federal prosecutor has established that Chenny told Libby of Valerie Plams indentity and he then passed this on to Bob Novac. It's possible that the chain of information will travel all the way into the Oval Office. This is treason in a time of war.

To claim that Bush doesn't lie and use disinformation on a wide scale is to be blind at best and at the worst an agent provocateur.

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If I am allowed to say it, I'd declare oil as the necessary though not sufficient cause of the US invasion of Iraq.

It it weren't so I might as well check the news to know if the invasion of North Korea had begun (or they gave away their WMD or became a true democracy or signed the peace treaty with South Korea, or joined the USA, or the Galactic Empire, or the Elven-Human Alliance or ......)!