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Topic: the term "istan", from who does it originate? Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 07:57 |
hmmm when did the Arabs arabized pul?
its the persian who lost their P .
anyway i think the Istana as Cyrus mentioned is the correct theory for Istanbul's name.
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Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 07:15 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
ignore all Persian sources, anyway I say again that from early times Persians called "Constantinople" as "Istan Bul" which means "Land Bridge", as they said "AfghanIstan" (Land of Afghans) and "Kabul" (Mountain Bridge). |
Actually it was "Istan Pul", and "KaPul".
istan bul and kabul are the arabized ones, because of lack of P in their language.
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Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 05:16 |
You are wrong, in almost all Ottoman official documents "Istanbul" has been called "Istana/Astana" (it means capital/city in Persian language, the new capital of Kazakhstan is also called Astana).
just read these ones: http://www.gzastorm.i12.com/islam/index.html
it was the nationalist policy of the unionists within the state that evoked the nationalist idea in the Ottoman elements. Hence, the Albanians in Astana founded their own Committee, soon to be followed by the Circassians and the Kurds. |
The Arabs for their part established the Committee of "Arab-Ottoman Brotherhood" in Astana and they opened the Committees club under the same name. |
It is in the interest of the Astana government to coerce the Syrians to leave their homelands. Arab lands, especially Iraq and Yemen, must be turned into Turkish colonies, in order to spread the Turkish language which must be the language of the Deen. |
And you have to trust the fact that the Turkish Committee, which you have witnessed in Astana and in the other parts inhabited by Turkish elements, does not clash in any way with the Arab aspirations. |
I have said it many times and I know you just love to play with words and ignore all Persian sources, anyway I say again that from early times Persians called "Constantinople" as "Istan Bul" which means "Land Bridge", as they said "AfghanIstan" (Land of Afghans) and "Kabul" (Mountain Bridge).
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Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 22:19 |
On ottoman official documents, it remained Konstantiniye until the end of the Empire, though.
I think it officially changed to Istanbul during the Republic.
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Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 22:18 |
Perhaps we'll never know. Anyway, eis ten poli is reasonable enough to be accepted, given the fact that Constantinople was commonly referred to i poli among the greeks. So the turks would hear stinboli all the time and simply call it istinbol and later istanbul to the city.
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Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 21:02 |
"eis ten poli" is also what my Turkic linguistics professor told me, and he maintained it was the most common theory. I asked about the one you mention about Constantinople, he didn't find it probable; I've read it somewhere as well, sounded reasonable to me to.
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Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 20:42 |
Originally posted by Hamoudeh
there are several theories but the one mostly maintained is that it's a Turkish contraction of the Greek "est an polis" (or similar) meaning "into the city" |
The most common theory is that Istanbul developed from the greek eis ten poli (pron: is tin boli)meaning to or in the city. It's likely to have been so, at least linguistically speaking. Culturally, it also makes sense, since Constantinople was referred to simply as i Poli, the City, among greeks, even nowadays.
I read somewhere that a contraction of Konstantinopouli to Konstanpouli and then simply to Stanpouli (pro: stanbuli) could be also another reasonable explanation.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2005 at 07:23 |
Originally posted by Cywr
AFAIK, its used in Sanskrit too. |
Sanskrit 'Sthan'=Place.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2005 at 02:26 |
If in regard to Istanbul, there are several theories but the one mostly maintained is that it's a Turkish contraction of the Greek "est an polis" (or similar) meaning "into the city" which is what the Byzantines were supposedly saying when the Ottomans were close to enter Constantinople.
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Posted: 24-Nov-2005 at 03:46 |
It means Province in Persian. It also means city in Swedish. It is a geographical division. The word is "Stan"
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Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 08:50 |
AFAIK, its used in Sanskrit too.
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Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 20:25 |
To my understanding the suffix "-istan" or "stan", is Persian/Iranian
in origin. Countries influenced by Iranian cultures (such as Armenia)
use the suffix, but it is Iranian in the original form, from what i
have read in Armenian history books.
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Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 20:05 |
I heard it was of Turkic origin but from what I hear, this also mostly denotes lands that are muslim in populous. It means "land of" I believe, right? So can someone tell me this words origin?
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