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    Posted: 03-May-2015 at 04:35
Originally posted by sedamoun

About Menes, Africans/Egyptians/Perisans.

katulakatula, here are some pictures of Menes, the Unifier of Egypt.

Looks like an African. No doubt.

Cheers.


Ancient  Egypt was predominantly Caucasian. Since Egypt conquered Nubia many Nubians moved to Egypt and some worked in the egyptian army and there were also  3 Nubian Kings ruling over Egypt. Ancient Egyptians were african but not black or negroid. In the USA there are black people too but still the modern America was founded and created by European. Today black and brown people live in England and Germany it doesn't make the original germans or english black just because black people live there.  
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Originally posted by Jhangora

I have something to say.I had a Cameroonian roomate n asked him this question.He smiled n said "Egypt.That is the place where White man stole civilization from Black man".

I guess this issue is similar to the AIT.Racist Whites claim only the white race has the genius to create n sustain civilization.They find it difficult to accept that dark-skinned people could have achieved great things in the past.Kid is correct when he says that western ideas of beauty r being imposed globally.

I guess it all boils down to purchasing power.Whites today have more purchasing power than other races.Though as another participant pointed out it is debatable whether such a race actually exists.I remember as a child I used to hear BBC radio n on one program which was on European Unification the anchor said there r advertisements in the Nordic countries which ask listeners "Would u like ur daughter to marry a Sicilian"?


Normally Black Africans don't identify with ancient Egypt since the ancient Egyptian are not black for them and they stick to their own tribal history. In West Africa biracial people are called white. Besides black Africans don't identify with skin colour but with their own tribe and ethnic group. This Cameroonian guy is brainwashed by Afro-Americans and Afrocentricism  African don't use the term " White man stolen from the black man, this language is typical for Afro-Americans who are busy to steal other identity. Of course race exists give me a break.
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Originally posted by Tobodai

I really dont want to get into this debate as so many people get really wierd about this topic so Ill just ake an argument-lite.

Cultural influence has nothing to do with actual migration and conquest in many situations, and can simply be a by-product of trade, fr example no conclusive evidence exists that Ireland was ever invaded or the host of migrations from teh Celts, yet their culture is considered Celtic, so also an be the case of Egypt.

Lets simply face it...no one thinks Africa itself could ever produce a civilization like Egypt, so they come up with fantasy theories about migrations and Hamites which would be prfectly reasonable if there was any proof, which there is not.

Egypt=culturally middle eastern yes, but of Middle Eastern origin...probably not. 


Let's face it too on one can imagine that being African doesn't equal being black, negroid. You can be native African like the North Africans natives and still being Caucasian.  Ancient Egypt is African origin but not negroid or subsaharan origin. There also mixed race Africans like the Northern Ethiopians.  
North Africa is geographically near to South Europe and the Sahara seprates black Africa from Caucasian Africa. Ancient Egptians were brown, of course they got brown from the sun like all Caucasian even the most white when they got exposed to the sun.  It's no fantasy story that North Africa was more than 10000 years caucasian and not negroid. Subsaharan Africans moved to the North that's why "black" People lived in North Africa too but it doesn't change the fact that ancient Egypt was predominantley Caucasian. Besides skin colour alone doesn't determine race.
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Originally posted by Maju

Originally posted by Temujin

Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl

 from right to left: A syrian, a nubian, a lybian and an Egyptian.

actually the first guy s Lybian and the third is syrian. you can easily tell the Lybians by those feathers or whatever on their heads...



LOL! That's what I thought, based not on the feathers but on the tatoos.


Congratulation, both thought logical....
Here is a most complete picture, it is from the grave of king seti I

4 libyans (Amazigh or Berber), 1 nubian, 1 syriac, 1 egyptian




please take a look at those 2 interesting article about the subject:

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well, that would make sense coxnsidering Egypt is closer to Syria, lol.
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Originally posted by BlueHue

Originally posted by Temujin

[QUOTE=Quetzalcoatl]

 from right to left: A syrian, a nubian, a lybian and an Egyptian.

actually the first guy s Lybian and the third is syrian. you can easily tell the Lybians by those feathers or whatever on their heads...

INDEEDAs an Egyptian and "regular" museum visitor you should have spotted that. on a mural one can see the forces of Pharaoh Merneptha fighting with the "Lybians"dressed like the First person above, but who knows? the Greek and Lybians may have dressed alike in his time, whilst the "Syrian"HAS a Mycenean, skirt.  The Greeks wore long pointed beards untill 500 bc afterwards they wore none and appear in "summer casual clothing"or at least their ancient Heros were painted on vases with shaven faces except Heracles. The "Egyptian" is painted in light brownbut this may be "traditional" andheactualy coulve been "European-White". Most"Nilotes" are pitch/Blue black but with European features.  "True Negroes  as we think to know them are the Bantu-Species.Besides the "Nubians"are an "enclave between Lower-Egypt and the Sudan-Negroes probably"discarded"egyptian military mercenaries-Veterans but from what Epoch???  The"MEDYAH

or"Mesh-Wesh"were definately present(Hamite-) "Massaii"who inter-married with White egyptian Women and"Egypt once had colonies in Kenia & Somalia;  during the early 18th Dynasty.

 

Actually famous genetic scientist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza in one of his DNA books mentioned the dna of egyptians and it is closer to Syrians than Egyptian DNA is to that of the Bantus.
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About Menes, Africans/Egyptians/Perisans.

katulakatula, here are some pictures of Menes, the Unifier of Egypt.

Looks like an African. No doubt.

Cheers.
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The unifying of Upper and Lower Egypt into a single kingdom is the event pointed to by the ancient Egyptians themselves as the beginning of their civilization.

Lower Egypt is roughly the broad delta of the river, where it separates into many branches before flowing into the Mediterranean. Upper Egypt is the long main channel of the river itself, possibly as far upstream as boats can reach - to the first waterfall or cataract, at Aswan.
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Egyptian tradition credits the uniting of Upper and Lower Egypt to a king called Menes. But that is merely a word meaning 'founder'. It is possible that the real historical figure is a ruler by the name of Narmer, who features in warlike mood on an early slate plaque.

Whatever the name, the first historical dynasty is brought into being by the king or pharaoh who in about 3100 BC establishes control over the whole navigable length of the Nile. His is the first of thirty Egyptian dynasties, spanning nearly three millennia - an example of social continuity rivalled in human history only by China.
 

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penWindow('treasure','/images/imagepopup.asp?No5=41&Id5= xabi')"> In the early centuries, and again in the closing stages of ancient Egypt, the capital is at Memphis, near modern-day Cairo. But at the peak of Egyptian power, during the period from about 2000 to 1200 BC, the city of Thebes - several hundred kilometres up the Nile - is a place of greater importance.

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The first egyptian dynasties hailed from Hierakonpolis, whose patron deity was Horus, hence we know the names of the earliest kings by their Horus-names.  They then moved their capital to Abydos at which time they conquered the Delta and unified Egypt.  It was either Menes or one of his descendants who made Memphis the new capital at base of the Delta.
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Originally posted by Janissary

I know, thank u, i was just kidding

i think It was Ciris defeated Greek army and Conquered Egypt

Unlikely to be so! It was Cyrus son, Cambyses who conquered Egypt and i dont recall defeating any Greek army.

 

I assume the little troll (as always, mixing and matching epochs, people and incidents) refers to the force of 4.000 Athenian  fighting alongside the Egyptians against Persia.
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katulakatula,

I think Egypt was a real melting pot, gathering and mixing people from Sudan, the Desert, the Arabian peninsula, Palestine and all over the Med Sea.

The First Egyptian DYNASTIES spawned between Egypt and Sudan, near Assuan, were i believe African, by that i mean black skin. The later Dynasties - by the Nile Delta - that created the Pyramids, the Sphinx, the monuments at Memphis and Luxor were much more evolved than the first ones.

At this time the African-Egyptians were already mixed with other populations.

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I have something to say.I had a Cameroonian roomate n asked him this question.He smiled n said "Egypt.That is the place where White man stole civilization from Black man".

I guess this issue is similar to the AIT.Racist Whites claim only the white race has the genius to create n sustain civilization.They find it difficult to accept that dark-skinned people could have achieved great things in the past.Kid is correct when he says that western ideas of beauty r being imposed globally.

I guess it all boils down to purchasing power.Whites today have more purchasing power than other races.Though as another participant pointed out it is debatable whether such a race actually exists.I remember as a child I used to hear BBC radio n on one program which was on European Unification the anchor said there r advertisements in the Nordic countries which ask listeners "Would u like ur daughter to marry a Sicilian"?
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Originally posted by Sharrukin

Concerning Greeks, what Cyrus did was conquer the Greeks of Asia Minor.

n    Persians under Cyrus defeat Medes.

n    Cyrus used giant square, departing from standard tactics of the day

n   Lured Medes into the squares flanks, then attacked the gaps in the hinges of their opponents formation.

n    Cyrus considered first Great Captain.
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Concerning Greeks, what Cyrus did was conquer the Greeks of Asia Minor.
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Originally posted by Janissary

I know, thank u, i was just kidding

i think It was Ciris defeated Greek army and Conquered Egypt

Unlikely to be so! It was Cyrus son, Cambyses who conquered Egypt and i dont recall defeating any Greek army.
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I know, thank u, i was just kidding

i think It was Ciris defeated Greek army and Conquered Egypt
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Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans and Arabs succesively dominated Egypt. But that doesn't mean that Egypt "belongs" to anyone. Egypt has a long history that pre-dates all the above mentioned nations and has a clearly diferent personality. If anything one could accept that modernly is rather Arab... but Persian? No way. 

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At one time the Persian kings did conquer Egypt (525 BC) but natural barriers thwarted the Persians from conquering Kush.
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I think Egypt Belongs Iran, i do not sure, but I think so, But Nubia not
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"Hamitic" means a subgroup of languages within Afro-Asiatic (originally "Hamito-Semitic") comprising northern and northeastern African languages including Berber, Egyptian, and Cush*tic. 



Kush*tic is Hamitic? I though it belonged to the Nilo-Saharian group. It seems I was wrong.

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