Notice: This is the official website of the All Empires History Community (Reg. 10 Feb 2002)

  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

The birth of a language

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Cywr View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Retired AE Moderator

Joined: 03-Aug-2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6003
  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: The birth of a language
    Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 01:01
Originally posted by BBC Article



Kids create new sign language
By Julianna Kettlewell
BBC News Online science staff

Children signing, Anne Senghas
Some language rules may be innate
A new sign language created over the last 30 years by deaf children in Nicaragua, has given experts a unique insight into how languages evolve.

The language follows many basic rules common to all tongues, even though the children were not taught them.

It indicates some language traits are not passed on by culture, but instead arise due to the innate way human beings process language, experts claim.

The US-led research is detailed in the latest issue of Science magazine.

Debate

The development of language has long been the focus of debate. Some people in the extreme "nature" camp believe that grammar is essentially hard-wired in the brain, while those in the extreme "nurture" camp think language has no innate basis and is just culturally transmitted.

This research has made some of the most interesting discoveries in language acquisition in decades
Steven Pinker
It has been difficult to clear up the argument, because most existing languages are ancient in origin and it is therefore hard to pinpoint how they formed.

That is why the sign language invented by a small group of deaf children in Nicaragua is so unusual. It has given scientists the clearest insight yet into how humans learn language.

"When people study historical linguistics to try to figure out how languages are born they are usually looking at old historical data, like scratches on rocks," explained co-author Ann Senghas of Columbia University, New York.

"This is the first time we have had the opportunity to observe it in action because the originators are still alive."

Steven Pinker, a psychologist at Harvard University and author of a seminal book on the acquisition and evolution of language - The Language Instinct - is impressed by the findings.

"I think this research has made some of the most interesting discoveries in language acquisition in decades," he told BBC News Online.

"It shows that children have sophisticated mechanisms of language analysis which give language many of its distinctive qualities.

Crude gestures

Before the 1970s, most deaf people in Nicaragua stayed at home and had little contact with one another, according to Dr Senghas.

Then, in 1981, a vocational school opened, and the children began to communicate with each other. No one actually taught them to sign, but they began to develop a system of gestures to get their messages across.

At first these were rather crude and pantomime-like, similar to the gestures a hearing person might make if they had to describe something without speaking.

But as a new wave of children learned the gestures they turned them into a sophisticated sign language, Nicaraguan Sign Language (NSL), complete with traits seen in nearly all other languages - both spoken and sign.

One key trait that the children adopted is called "discreetness". This refers to the process of breaking down information into small manageable packages.

Expressions of motion are particularly useful for studying discreetness in spoken and sign languages. In developed languages we break up the idea of continuous motion into separate words.

So, in the expression "rolling down the hill", one word (rolling) conveys the movement, while another (down) conveys the direction.

But if a hearing person were asked to convey this idea in gestures alone, they would almost certainly do it with a single continuous movement.

Rolling cat

Dr Senghas and her colleagues showed the deaf people from each of the age groups a cartoon, in which a cat swallows a ball and then wobbles down a steep road. Then they asked the participants to tell the story.

The oldest group, who invented the initial "crude" form of NSL, told it with one continuous gesture as a hearing person might.

Boy signing, Anne Senghas
NSL follows basic rules common to nearly all languages
But the younger groups did something different. They separated the movement and direction into separate signs as is done in spoken language.

"If they were just clever at learning they would have learned to do it they way they had seen it being done," said Dr Senghas. "But that isn't what they did - they ended up acquiring something different. They ended up breaking down the gestures into something they could build a language out of."

This is compelling evidence that humans are predisposed to develop language in this way, say the researchers. In other words, children instinctively break information down into small chunks so they can have the flexibility to string them back together, to form sentences with a range of meanings.

Interestingly, adults lose this talent, which also suggests there is an innate element to the language learning process.

"We lose the ability to break information into discreet elements as we age," said Dr Senghas. "It is not just that children can do it, but adults can't do it."

Dr Senghas does not claim her findings support the extreme "nature" camp, but that they do suggest there is an instinctive component to the way we learn language.

"It doesn't prove that language is hard wired to the degree some people say it is, but it does prove the fundamentals of language are part of the innate endowment," she said. "So you don't have language or grammar in your head when you are born, but you do have certain learning abilities."

Professor Pinker said the results of the study showed something that had always been suspected by some psychologists.

But, he said: "since children's language ordinarily ends up the same as their parents' language, one couldn't easily pinpoint what their minds added.

"It takes a case in which the language children end up with is more complex than the language they hear to identify the creative contribution of the child."


Click the link to read the rest of the article.
New Scientist story here

So Chomsky's Nature camp may be on to something.
Arrrgh!!"
Back to Top
cattus View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar
Retired AE Moderator

Joined: 02-Aug-2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1803
  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 02:45

very interesting and would like to see this stuff being used in action.    But as far as getting a picture on how language may have evolved, i dont know. Those kids' brains have an advanced gearing.  Possibly nurtured somehow?

 

Back to Top
Cywr View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Retired AE Moderator

Joined: 03-Aug-2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6003
  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 03:12
It is theorised that Humand, especialy children, have an ability to process and learn, or even develop language, that is shaped by the way the human brain has evolved. In other words, nature, not nuture. Still a bot debate in linguistics.
Arrrgh!!"
Back to Top
JanusRook View Drop Down
Sultan
Sultan
Avatar
Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam

Joined: 03-Aug-2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2419
  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 03:15
I think its a little bit of both nature and nurture, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was mostly nature, since we are the only speaking animal.
Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative.

Unless otherwise noted source is wiki.
Back to Top
cattus View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar
Retired AE Moderator

Joined: 02-Aug-2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1803
  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 12:43
surely there may have been a kid in the line that had influence on the develpement of this language that was not deaf from birth. A view of the complete study would be a treat.
Back to Top
Sharrukin View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain


Joined: 04-Aug-2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1314
  Quote Sharrukin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 13:20

Here's a link to how one Sumerologist explains the development of the Sumerian language:

http://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm

Back to Top
fastspawn View Drop Down
Earl
Earl
Avatar

Joined: 04-Aug-2004
Location: Singapore
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 269
  Quote fastspawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 11:41
I believe the King of SUmer wanted to find out how language was created and thus find out what was the first language. So what he did was get 2 orphans and put them under the care of a Mute Shephard.

No contact was permitted with the orphans. When the children reached maturity, the language they spake consisted of sheeps bleating and other gutteral noises. However coincidentally Baa, is a word for Bread in another language, and the Sumer King declared it the first language (i forgot the language)
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest
Guest
  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 22:29
Last month at a conference at Boston University I
met Judy Kegl, one of the linguists who works on
Nicaraguan Sign Language, and that inspired me to
websurf it a bit. Here's a link to another article on it,
and, Katt, it includes a video of a kid signing a story
so people can see what it looks like.

http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/nuggets/028/nugget.htm

Judy Kegl herself has gotten so into her work that
she constantly "subtitles" what she's saying with
sign-type gestures as she talks, with the result that
she has a whole other level of articulateness to her
conversation that most of us don't have. It was very
interesting talking with her.

She said that the kids had named various kinds of
fruits after typical gestures for peeling them;
similarly, the word for rice is the gesture for picking
bugs out of a bag of rice, which everyone has to do in
Nicaragua!
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.56a [Free Express Edition]
Copyright ©2001-2009 Web Wiz

This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.