Move over Egypt, Europe�s pyramids are older and bigger!

Originally posted by Cywr Or is it just a man made mound?

I think it is no more than a man-made mound as you said.

Just like the ones in Anatolia, which were builded by the Phrygians.

Originally posted by Mila Well, they already know it's built from stone blocks and it has internal passages - so I think it's more than a mound.

Yeah, those passages makes them differ from natural hills, but does not make them pyramids.

By the way, do you know who built it?

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I don't know. It seems as a big mound. But it could be real.

I'm not an expert in ancient bosnian religions, so I 'd thank you a lot if you could tell me something about it.

Originally posted by Mila Originally posted by Barış Originally posted by Mila Well, they already know it's built from stone blocks and it has internal passages - so I think it's more than a mound. Yeah, those passages makes them differ from natural hills, but does not make them pyramids. By the way, do you know who built it? Not a clue. They've said they're at least 3,500 years old, but they suspect far older. If they could narrow down a date, we could determine which culture was dominant in this area at the time - although I doubt it's really related all that much to any culture we know played a significant role in this region because the very reason we know they were dominant here is because they left evidence, records, and so on - surely they've have mentioned something about a giant pyramid, possibly pyramids?

In 1500 BCE the only place in all Europe where anything was written was in Crete and very specific parts of Greece where they used linear B script. It was all accounts and nothing on history, monuments, mythology or other stuff that could be relevant for us. Unless this pyramid keeps some unknown form of script inside, you shouldn't expect any written references. Only Archaeology can answer.

As far as I know, the historical (Roman) region of "Dalmatia" or "Illyria" (parts of Croatia, most of Bosnia, Montenegro and the coast of Albania), had a series of cultures that derived from Mediterranean Neolithic (Cardium Pottery), which was also originated there, from c. 6000 BCE to the Bronze Age (c. 1700 in pan-European chronology). This cultural sequence was very related to those of Italy, specially the north, and also was uder the influx of other cultures from the Panonnian basin and what is now Serbia.

Since c. 3000 BCE in many Mediterranean areas we can see the appearence of megalithic monuments that do not simply replicate those of the Atlantic but are also original and innovative (the best known example is Malta). The fact that the Egyptian pyramids are also built in this period (early 3rd milennium) makes them somehow related with this megalithic cultural current or fashion, though Egyptians never built megaliths in the Atlantic style (dolmens and cromlechs). The fashion lasted till the Bronze age or some centuries before, depending on regions. I suspect that this Bosnian pyramid will be eventually dated between 3000 and 1800 BCE, just because it would fit with the Mediterranean Megalithic period.

If I'm not wrong, between 1500-1300 that area was invaded by Illyrians who are related to the Urnfields culture.

So unless this discovery brings us to find some new culture, still unknown, the pyramid would probably belong to one of the Neolitic/Chalcolithic cultures that are mostly native of the area, most likely the Nakovanska Kultura (sorry but I've only found links in Serbocroatan on this topic), which occupies the span between 3500 and the Urnfields (IE) invasion.

I have a funny feeling it's very, very, very old. 10,500 BC is the time at which Stonehenge, the Egyptian pyramids, the temples in the Americas, and so on, aligned perfectly with the stars.

Take it easy: all those monuments weren't built before 3000 BCE. It's a very early date and a historical period (Chalcolithic: Copper Age)we all would like to know a lot more about. I hope we will learn much from that Sun Pyramid and related discoveries.

Oh it will, El Cid - whether they want it to or not. I remember seeing a documentary about young people from villages like Lukomir (Highlanders, those people are called, in Bosnia) who left their villages to live a modern life down in the valleys.

They followed, I believe it was 14 young men and women from highlander villages across the country - none managed to make it in the cities. Not even a single one.

They're just too modest, too simple, too trusting, too traditional, too much of so many good things to make it in a modern city.

I think it's why they've survived so long. Lukomir is Europe's oldest living community, but that's because the highlanders are Europe's oldest living culture. Still, more or less, exactly the same today as it was a millenia ago. I think it's because they're so simple, modest, and self-sufficient. No conquering land, no wars, nothing...just live, be happy.

And they survived while so many great and powerful cultures have come and gone.

I remember they interviewed one old woman on the show about changes she's noticed over the years, and she said (I can't remember it verbatim, but it stuck in my head, it was something like):

"We didn't change that much. The little girls today look just their Mothers did 20 years ago. The little boys play the same way their grandfathers did 50 years ago. What has changed are the people who come here. Before we felt part of them but now they've found a new way for almost everything and... I don't know... maybe they think we're stupid, but I don't believe that. Why change what you love? The people now who come aren't even from the valleys. They're from far off places, across whole oceans. They come to have coffee with us, take pictures of our homes and our children. One of them brought a map of the whole of Europe and I asked him if I could keep it. He showed me where he was from, and where I was from. And now I just love it. Everyone who comes up to visit us, I make them show me on my map where they are from."

She was SO cute.


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Originally posted by Maju Yes, it's a typical misconception that slavery was massive in Egypt, when it actually wasn't, at least in the early periods. Monumental architecture doesn't need slave labour but what needs is some kind of (maybe religious) motivation and strong social organization to get hundreds or thousands of people to work in such monuments. It also needs relative advanced science/technology, particularly architecture.

thats true.

Until they have made thorough excavations, I'll remain *very* sceptical. Looks suspiciously like regular hills.

A mound on top of it is not very unbelievable, they are on the contrary quite common.

^ Well the very top used to be a Royal castle.

^ Could be anything, but it's been my experience with Bosnia that if villagers have been saying something for centuries, it's usually true. They've been calling them pyramids for as far back as anybody can tell.

So who knows? There's something there.