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Topic: Move over Egypt, Europes pyramids are older and bigger! Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 17:31 |
HUGE NEWS!
The village of Visoko, near Sarajevo, has
received official confirmation from the United Nations of something the
locals have long suspected - that the hill around which their village
was built is in fact man made.
Long associated with the ancient Bosnian religion of the Sun God,
Visoko's confirmed pyramid was larger than the Grand Pyramid at Giza when first built
and carbon dating suggests far older. There are several other suspected
pyramids in the immediate vicinity which have yet to be confirmed.
"First European Pyramid: Bosnian Sun Pyramid":
Other nearby sites:
This is not a joke, I'll post more information as soon as I can find some!
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 17:34 |
those plans make it look VERY suspiciously like a Mesoamerican pyramid. ANd even if its real it doesnt top the biggest oldest pyramid of them all in China.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 17:38 |
^ I don't think it tops much in it's current state, and the plans are
only a hypothesis - but for Europe, it's a huge deal. And for Bosnia,
it's an enormous deal.
Croats and Serbs have long insisted that Bosnian pagans were an
isolated, simple people - despite the fact that we are the only ones
with any pre-medieval relics in this area. Croatia and Serbia have
nothing that predate ancient Bosniak tombstones, and so on.
There's also talk this could finally be the ancient city of VrhBosna,
mentioned in the records of several ancient empires but whose location
has never been proven. It's currently suspected the Roman settlement of
Imunisipia (Ilidza district, Sarajevo) is built on top of the site of
VrhBosna (High Bosnia) but no one knows for sure.
At the very least, it will prove to be an important tourist attraction and national symbol!
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 17:41 |
From the BBC News:
Europe's first pyramid?
Bosnia's leading Muslim daily Dnevni Avaz writes
excitedly about "a sensational discovery" of "the first European
pyramid" in the central town of Visoko, just north of Sarajevo.
Excavations at a hill site above the town have been
going on for several months and initial analyses "have confirmed the
original claim that this is Europe's first pyramid and a monumental
building, similar in dimensions to the Egyptian pyramids."
"The pyramid is 100 metres high and there is evidence
that it contains rooms and a monumental causeway ... The plateau is
built of stone blocks, which indicates the presence at the time of a
highly developed civilisation," the daily explains.
"Archaeological excavations near the surface have uncovered a part of a wall and fragments of steps," it reveals.
"Visocica hill could not have been shaped like this
by nature," geologist Nada Nukic tells the daily. "This is already far
too more than we have anticipated, but we expect a lot more from
further analysis," she concludes.
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Doesn't look good that our media is hyping the claims, but we'll see.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 18:01 |
"The pyramid predates the arrival of Slavs to this region so it is not
reasonable to suggest it is in any way a reflection of the culture of
Bosnia's peoples, whom have lived in this area only since the fifth and
sixth century. But this does not change the nature and certainly not
the importance of our discovery. What we are having here is a pyramid,
constructed by man, that is at least 100 meters high, and at least
3,500 years old. Whether it is the Illyrians, the Greeks, the Egyptians
does not matter. Our country is host to this important site and we will
work to determine exactly what is it and to prepare it for the world."
- Nada Nurkic
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 18:12 |
Originally posted by Mila
"The pyramid predates the arrival of Slavs to this region so it is not
reasonable to suggest it is in any way a reflection of the culture of
Bosnia's peoples, whom have lived in this area only since the fifth and
sixth century. But this does not change the nature and certainly not
the importance of our discovery. What we are having here is a pyramid,
constructed by man, that is at least 100 meters high, and at least
3,500 years old. Whether it is the Illyrians, the Greeks, the Egyptians
does not matter. Our country is host to this important site and we will
work to determine exactly what is it and to prepare it for the world."
- Nada Nurkic
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You shouldn't think that your people arrived to Bosnia in the 7th
century: Slavs arrived there but most of the original people surely
remained as well. The resulting population is a mixture and most likely
basically what existed before slavization. You are the descendants of
the people who built it, don't have doubts about it, even if then they
called themselves Dalmatians or whatever.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 18:16 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
those plans make it look VERY suspiciously like a Mesoamerican pyramid. ANd even if its real it doesnt top the biggest oldest pyramid of them all in China. |
Nah...My ancestors built a flying ship and traveled to Europe to gave them the instructions how to build a Teotihuacan Sun Pyramid Fashion
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 18:35 |
Originally posted by Maju
Originally posted by Mila
"The pyramid predates the arrival of Slavs to this region so it is not
reasonable to suggest it is in any way a reflection of the culture of
Bosnia's peoples, whom have lived in this area only since the fifth and
sixth century. But this does not change the nature and certainly not
the importance of our discovery. What we are having here is a pyramid,
constructed by man, that is at least 100 meters high, and at least
3,500 years old. Whether it is the Illyrians, the Greeks, the Egyptians
does not matter. Our country is host to this important site and we will
work to determine exactly what is it and to prepare it for the world."
- Nada Nurkic
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You shouldn't think that your people arrived to Bosnia in the 7th
century: Slavs arrived there but most of the original people surely
remained as well. The resulting population is a mixture and most likely
basically what existed before slavization. You are the descendants of
the people who built it, don't have doubts about it, even if then they
called themselves Dalmatians or whatever.
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To a limited extent, yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks:
Genetic analysis of indigenousness
In 2005 various South European medical schools and institutions specializing in genetics
did an analysis of the variation at 28 Y-chromosome biaUelic markers
among a sample of males from throughout Bosnia and Herzegovina,
relatively equally split among all three major ethnic groups. The most
notable find was the high frequency of the "Paleolithic European" halo
group (Hg) I; specifically its sub-halo group I-P37. Indicative of Dinarics,
the sub-halo group had a frequency of 71% among Bosnian Croats, 44%
among Bosniaks, and 31% among Bosnian Serbs. A similar study in Croatia
found that Croatian Croats had a frequency of about 45%, but that among
them Croats in Dalmatia had a particularly high frequency (around two
thirds).
The high frequency of I-P37 among Croats in Bosnia and Dalmatia can
be explained by the fact that Catholics in those regions historically
mixed very little with other people. The smaller frequency among Croats
in Croatia and Bosniaks is probably due to the various foreigners that
were assimilated over the years. The study mentioned above confirmed
that the Bosniak gene pool was impacted by foreigners from various
regions in the Ottoman Empire more so than that of the other two
groups, but not in a significant amount overall.
It must be taken into account that out of the study's Bosniak subjects none came from Bosanska Krajina.
Based on historical factors associated with the region, it could be
expected that the inclusion of Bosniak subjects from this regions would
have raised the frequency of I-P37 and Slav-associated sub-halo groups
while lowering the frequency of Mediterranean related sub-halo groups
among Bosniaks overall. Future genetic studies will hopefully shed more
light on these issues. As it stands, current studies have shown that,
genetically, Bosniaks are largely indigenous and have a large fraction
of the ancient gene pool distinctive for the Balkan area.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 19:14 |
That's really fascinating.
Is it completely made out of stone or are some parts just packed in dirt?
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 19:34 |
Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer
Originally posted by Tobodai
those plans make it look VERY
suspiciously like a Mesoamerican pyramid. ANd even if its real it
doesnt top the biggest oldest pyramid of them all in China. |
Nah...My ancestors built a flying ship and traveled to Europe to
gave them the instructions how to build a Teotihuacan Sun Pyramid
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and even before Teotihuacan was built.
They were even able to time travel!
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 20:29 |
What's the dating of the pyramid, if any? I've read above that it is
"at least 3,500 years old". 1500 BCE is not older than the Egyptian
pyramids of Gizah, which were built around 2700-2500 BCE, nor that of
Saqqarah, which is even older.
Anyhow it is a great and surprising discovery and I'm eager that you post some links.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 21:56 |
Have there been archeological surveys on it that detail the actual structure?
Or is it just a man made mound?
If its the latter there are tons of them all over Europe and beyond.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 22:03 |
^ Don't know yet. They know it has internal passages, and they suspect it has internal rooms.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 22:16 |
Its an intresting question though, considering the sudden explosion of 'pyramids found in x' stories.
At would point does a burial mound, however symetricaly constructed,
become a 'pyramid' as generaly percieved in the imaginations of people?
Not that i'm trying to be a spoil sport, this is indeed intresting, but
it does seem that almost anything can become a pyramid these days, i
guess Brits should join the vibe and start claiming that their more
intresting burial mounds and barrows are infact pyramids too. Anything
for those tourist dollars
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 22:56 |
^ Hehehe. No, it's okay, really. I don't care what it is as long as
it's respected and brings our country a little something good. I mean,
it could be a popular tourist mound...or a pyramid that opens the gates of hell...
It's an interesting question.
I'd say size, construction methods, purpose, possibly shape?
A large structure made of individual blocks of stone built into a
triangular shape I'd call a pyramid. A heap of soil and rocks piled up
by man I'd call a mound.
Where one becomes the other, beats me.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 23:09 |
It tend to agree with you on the mound vs pyramid front, but, bigger
mounds have underlying structures that help to hold the earth and rocks
in place, and those structures are, well, pyramid like.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 23:31 |
Originally posted by Cywr
It tend to agree with you on the mound vs pyramid front, but, bigger
mounds have underlying structures that help to hold the earth and rocks
in place, and those structures are, well, pyramid like.
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From what I've seen so far of the Bosnian Sun Pyramid - I don't know if
they're only showing what they've uncovered so far, but they seem to
depict just the top of the mountain, one full side in the front, and
half of both sides - like it's built into an already-existing mountain.
But none of what they've said about it suggests this, so...?
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 23:31 |
I know the pyramids in Egypt were built using slave workers who really were treated badly and their fatality rate was so high from exhaustion and heat. I don't know how the pyramids in Mexico or the recent one in Bosnia were built, but I don't think it will be far from using cheap (if it wasn't free slave workers) labors. I just cannot imagine them hiring locals with pay checks to do that killing job
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 23:51 |
Actualy, the early Pyramids in Egypt were built with semi-volentary
labour, basicly seasonal conscripted labour, who weren't slaves.
Some of hte later pyramids were made with slaves though, as well as the other tombs.
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