Ottoman versus Ottoman

Ottoman architecture versus Ottoman architecture. Two cities established during the Ottoman empire, just a few hours apart, yet completely different in style and layout.

With which do you feel the Ottomans did a better job?

1. Sarajevo


2. Mostar

The later has the older small town look and a better setting.
I'm going to guess much of Sarajevo's population growth was relativly recently (last 1 and a 1/2 centuries), so the trends of the day have a greater hold.

mostar imo

mila, can you post some old mostar pix?

You're close. Sarajevo had less than 300,000 people in 1950, and more than 500,000 by 1990.

And what was the population in 1800 and 1850?
Most big cities today experience the bulk of their population growth in the last 150 odd years, some boomed earlier than others.
WHhilst we can see Sarajevo almost doubled between 1950 and 1990, how long did it take to go from 150,000 to 300,000 and so on?

Originally posted by Cywr You're close. Sarajevo had less than 300,000 people in 1950, and more than 500,000 by 1990. And what was the population in 1800 and 1850? Most big cities today experience the bulk of their population growth in the last 150 odd years, some boomed earlier than others. WHhilst we can see Sarajevo almost doubled between 1950 and 1990, how long did it take to go from 150,000 to 300,000 and so on?

"Historically Sarajevo had always been a very populous city, but as the Ottoman Empire declined, so did its population. Although it had around 100,000 people in the 1660s, by the end of World War II in the 1940s Sarajevo had only grown to some 115,000 people. Heavy industrialization and increased importance in regional affairs during the time of Yugoslavia resulted in a rapid increase however, and by the time of the 1984 Olympics the greater Sarajevo area had more than 500,000 residents. Although exact ethnic distribution is unknown, of these 500,000, 49% were Muslim, 30% Orthodox Christians, and 7% Catholics, indicating relatively corresponding percentages of Bosniaks, Serbs, and Croats."

1626: 60,000+ inhabitants

1660: 100,000+ inhabitants

1910: 51,919

1921: 66,317

1931: 78,173

1945: 115,000

1971: 359,448

1991: 527.049

2002: 401,118

Originally posted by Cywr Oh, so the boom happened in what was perhaps one of the most uninspired (excluding a few exceptional buildings) archetectual peroids in human history.

Yeah.

I hesitate to share a photo of these areas because I'm ashamed.

I mean, you've beautiful Ottoman areas...



Nice Austrian areas...



And then...










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Originally posted by Cywr Count your blessings, those fhighrises could have been built by Glasgow city council

But you don't have Bosniaks to inhabit yours, that makes all the difference.

Commieblock (Communist era highrise) culture here is just... sickening. Old hausfrau's with their hair in rollers screaming from upper balconies at their kids, screaming conversations with other fat, middle-aged women in adjacent buildings, hanging their clothes out over their balconies, throwing their shoes down at anyone who annoys them, watching every move every unmarried girl makes and reporting every breath to her must hateful, brutal male relative.

And so on.

Reminds me of those jokes...

"You know you're a Bosniak when..."

- Your mother already knows everything you did downtown before you get home.

Printed in a paper here during Ramadan:



Bosniaks really know how to have a good time:



(Hehehe, it's from a mosque - which makes it even funnier because we all know mosques have football fields, swimming pools, fishing ponds, and bicycle tracks.)

Reminds me of when they first posted the rules in English and it said: "You are permitted to probe in all areas of the mosque except during prayer times and if you are respectful you can expect the same treatment from worshippers."

- If you're a girl, everything you do well is congratulated with "now you can get married". If you're 20 and still not engaged your parents look at you quizically all day and suddenly start critisizing everything you do, including but not limited to how you sit, how you speak, where you place your hands when not busy, how you breath, and so on.

And another I liked...you know you're a Bosniak refugee abroad when:

You have a brand new house in a modern city with state-of-the-art appliances but your mother still cooks in the basement on the old stove from Bosnia.

And my ALL time favorite because it's so true:

- When speaking English, your parents say beach instead of b*tch and b*tch instead of beach. LOL

LOL


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just beautiful (and cities and Joke)

When speaking English, your parents say beach instead of b*tch and b*tch instead of beach. LOL

I've heard Dutch people pronounce it 'beach' too, i think its down to how the 'i' is normaly pronounced in Dutch.

Where do u live???