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    Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 00:39

Do u know something?

What was the differencer of This empire that others?

What was the difference between The I Gokturk Empire and The II?
Turk elleri bir-birine yadlanir
Kazak, Qirqiz, Tuekmen, Ozbek adlanir
Azerbaycan yanar, Ichden odlanir,
Ana Yurdun ichden hali duman, heey
Qoca Turkum, dusduyun derd yaman, heeey
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The first one was the original Turuk empire built on the remnants of the Juan Juan in 552 ad.. The second is a revival empire Bilge Han presided over around the 720's.

Here is a thorough link on both:

http://www.allempires.com/empires/gokturk1/gokturk1.htm

http://www.allempires.com/empires/gokturk2/gokturk2_1.htm
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There a very little information about those great States
Turk elleri bir-birine yadlanir
Kazak, Qirqiz, Tuekmen, Ozbek adlanir
Azerbaycan yanar, Ichden odlanir,
Ana Yurdun ichden hali duman, heey
Qoca Turkum, dusduyun derd yaman, heeey
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Such a massive empire, and not one since history book touches it. Amazing....
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Liria i ka rrnjt n gjak.
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There are no records from within the Turk empires.  The Chinese historians mention them when they were involved in Chinese affairs but we have little else to go on.  As with all these steppe 'empires'  the Turk was a loose confederation so a change of 'empire' doesn't necessaraly mean great changes in the actual peoples etc..
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Originally posted by Janissary

There a very little information about those great States

Heres a few more links:

http://www.ozturkler.com/data_english/0001/0001_05.htm

http://www.uglychinese.org/uygur.htm



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There is a book

Lev Qumilyov-Old Turks-all about 1st and 2nd Gokturk, Avar and Uygur Empires!!!
Turk elleri bir-birine yadlanir
Kazak, Qirqiz, Tuekmen, Ozbek adlanir
Azerbaycan yanar, Ichden odlanir,
Ana Yurdun ichden hali duman, heey
Qoca Turkum, dusduyun derd yaman, heeey
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There are not many info available about the gok-turks in the books coz noone wants to see turks as a central asian ppl.In most of the western eyes Turks are a fez-wearing,nargile smoking turban'd folk
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Originally posted by Attila2

There are not many info available about the gok-turks in the books coz noone wants to see turks as a central asian ppl.In most of the western eyes Turks are a fez-wearing,nargile smoking turban'd folk


? where did this drivel come from ?

We don't know much because there are very few written records.  Internal written records of the "steppe empires" didn't really start until the Uighur, and most of them were lost in the general destruction of the new towns after the Kirgiz and Naimen destroyed Uighur power.
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I told u go and read "The Old Turks" written by Russian guy

The thick size of the book is 5 sm. And it is all about 1st, 2nd and Uygur empires
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O yol bizim yolumuzdur
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Originally posted by Janissary 2

I told u go and read "The Old Turks" written by Russian guy

The thick size of the book is 5 sm. And it is all about 1st, 2nd and Uygur empires



Dr Gumilyov's work is a little dated and many modern readers dislike it becaus in includes strong anti Jewish elements (not uncommon for the period).  It has the advantages of being by a Russian (almost all the archeology is Russian), not having much competition, and is transklated into Turkish (but not English).
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