Ottoman Turk, may Allah be pleased with you always. Im doing my minimum requirement in at least defending my religion from false accusations to the knowledge that i know so far. A job that is required to all, and as Azimuth and Seko both have been doing it long time ago.
I just hope that those questions that come from the forumers here are asked to learn. If they are just to argue, then no answer will satisfy them and they will keep banging their head just to prove their point regardless of reality.
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
Muhammad the prophet says: "If the Religion were at the Pleiades (very distant stars), no one can find it except a Persian!" |
Cyrus, you are an administrator. If we failed keeping up with the topic of this thread, you at least should be the example in not deviating from the thread original topic. Now, your earlier question was answered. I would like to know then, this hadith being placed here, is for what purpose?
Before you tell us of the reasons behind stating that hadith, I would like first to let you know that again, you got a mistated hadith here. Going to the original translation of the Hadith, there are two versions of it under the Muslim Sahih (a book of collection of hadiths like the Bukhari). Chapter 59, the following two versions are stated:
Book 031, Number 6177:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If the din were at the Pleiades, even then a person from Persia would have taken hold of it, or one amongst the Persian descent would have surely found it.
Book 031, Number 6178:
Abu Huraira reported: We were sitting in the company of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) that Sura al-Jumu'a was revealed to him and when he recited (these words):" Others from amongst them who have not yet joined them," a person amongst them (those who were sitting there) said: Allah's Messenger! But Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) made no reply, until he questioned him once, twice or thrice. And there was amongst us Salman the Persian. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) placed his hand on Salman and then said: Even if faith were near the Pleiades, a man from amongst these would surely find it.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim /031.smt.html#031.6178
As you see above. The meaning is totally different than yours. Your Hadith says: "If the Religion were at the Pleiades (very distant stars), no one can find it except a Persian!". the "No one can find it except a persian" is definitely added to the hadith and neither the two known versions of it state a similar meaning. The two known versions of that Hadith are:
"If the din were at the Pleiades, even then a person from Persia would have taken hold of it, or one amongst the Persian descent would have surely found it."
"Even if faith were near the Pleiades, a man from amongst these would surely find it." he was holding his hand on Salman Al Farisi while saying this.
So as you see Cyrus. It is a general statement with Salman Al Farisi presence. The second version of the hadith is clearer about who was there and what occasion he stated the hadith in. It basically says that the light of faith is clear, even for the farthest person. Even among them (the prophet used Salman's example in becoming a Muslim) the far persians, a person came from them to us muslim here, who is Salman. That is for sure totally different than your translation that no one can find it except a Persian!
P.S: Cyrus, that is the second time you post a hadith or Quran with no link. If that hadith or Quran you posted came from a source, then please post the link so we can evaluate that source. If it has no source, but your own interpretation, then please take in consideration your status in this forum as an administrator too by being careful next time regarding using your own interpretation for religious scripts. Especially those not in your language. Thank you.
Zagors, good question regarding the Caliphate of Islam. That fits the thread "should the caliphate be revived" or "the Islamic state: who begins" which is still active till now.