turks and etruscans are TRO�AN?

First of all: There is no genetic identifier for being a Turk. Today it's a linguistic term. There are Turks all over the planet that don't look like each other. In fact it could even simply be a religious term in the past meaning "people with a similar law" because even during 11th century, some people speaking Turkic were not considered worthy of being a Turk because they had become polytheists unlike ancestors of Turks who were always monotheists. So being a Turk in the past was not about language, race, ethnic identity, friendship. It was more probably about religion. So even if a group of people spoke a Turkic dialect in the past does not necessarily make those people Turks.
It's simply about the origin of Proto-Language which might have been a form of Turkic language which got changed by some other Turkic speaking clergy who had power over simple people and who were hungry for even more power. Europeans proposed such a theory in the past called Sun-Language-Theory claiming Turkic language was the first ever language spoken on Earth but just like other theories during those times, it was laughable and full of bullshit and was researched very poorly and rejected as a result. The case was closed. We need new people to do proper research with proper tools at their disposal on the same theory. Unfortunately political (economy, racism) and cultural (religion) obstacles are too much to even think about reopening the closed Sun-Language-Theory.


Here are some Etruscan writings and how we read them in Turkic.




We can see the woman holding the hand of an armed man and say: ii ulaθ iline inaθ
It looks like a sad parting scene with a horse on the background. The soldier is probably heading for the horse after the farewell.

In Turkish the sentence would be:  İyi ulaş iline yınat.  (yınat is old Turkic meaning the following: cleanse wounds, get well, to still be alive)

İYİ: good, healthy, safe, well
ULAŞ: to reach
İL: country, civilization, to civilize other people
İLİNE: "to your country" or "your quest to civilize someone"

it says "reach your country safe and sound and cleanse your wounds"


Turkic Yınat becoming "inaθ"  (Y is dropped) and  T becoming θ (a sound between T and S) can be seen on other Etruscan writings as well.



We see a man driving a chariot.
ax1a iðuk aθe kufarke

the last two words:  aθe kufarke   : atı kuvar-koşar-kuşar eke:  
at: horse  
koşar: galloping ,running 
kuşar: to get ready
kuvar: driving away (to make something run away from you)    
eke: during   
> in Turkish: ATI KOŞAR İKEN - ATI KOŞARKEN > in English: while his horse was galloping,running.
or  ATI KUVARKEN: While driving his horse at high speed.


or for example:



Hermial kapzna slman

In Turkish: Hermes'in kapısına saldırma :  Don't attack the door of Hermes. (it's theorized that the person wrote this on the gravestone so that people would not damage the gravestone)




The soldier on the left says: enkten  It's engdin in Turkic and it means: you have made a mistake, you have been confused, you have been caught off guard.
I guess the rest of the picture speaks for itself. The soldier on the left says you made a mistake, you have been caught off guard and we can see the soldier on the right being caught off guard.

Work done by Doç, Dr. Çingiz KARAŞARLI. He is publishing a book about this.  I just translated these.

Edited by ancalimon - 24-Sep-2011 at 09:05

Originally posted by finikis This subject is verypopular in last times..i found this genetic results..i wonder if there is someone in AE can give more info to us.. http://sophistikatedkids.com/turkic/34Etruscans/EtruskGeneti csEn.htm

If you talk about the Turks in present day Turkey then maybe but they are such a mix of different ethnics groups that I wonder if they could be still called Turkic. In my opinion though if they do not have Rum or Byzantine blood then I have my doubts, but there are other ethnic groups in that region who could possibly make that ethnic connection, Turkish people are so mixed today. I have been to Turkey and Greece and I saw all the different faces in Turkey. I thought Turkey is much more diverse than Greece but I saw diversity in Greece also.



Turkic - NO!! they came from around Mongollia

Actually the Etruscans being Anatolian, or more prescisely Lydian, is just one uncertain hypothesis among many concerning their origin. This one is particularly dubious as its based solely on a legend told by Herodotus.

Etruscans were Anatolians. So are the Turks, genetically speaking.

http://www.italianlanguageflorence.com/news/scientists-solve-etruscan-mystery.php

link above tell the origin of the etruscans..

Keep this discussion civil guys. Debate the history without the innuendos.

And are you not imposing a modern word "state" to achieve the same ends? That you do not see what you are doing while heaping invective and sophomoric innuendo is rather sad. Even in your sudden introduction of  Devlet i Ebed m�ddet, the eternal "state", seems I've heard that appellation elsewhere--ah yes, Eternal Rome, shades of the Paleologii!

Well bulldog you have passed from the problematic to the argumentative and are actually transgressing the norms of proper historiography. Perhaps this little item would serve as a corrective on your repeated importunances: Challenging the National History--Competing discourses about a Conference by Didem Turkoglu

Edited by drgonzaga - 09-Dec-2007 at 21:33

Drgonzaga Hey, you are really wandering far afield and essentially asserting a political hegemony or identity that never existed among the Turkic tribes

Hey, you are really wandering far afield and essentially asserting a political hegemony or identity that never existed among the Turkic tribes. Do you believe that elaborating insistent strawmen would divert from the central point: the crescent as a political statement of world empire. If honesty were the guiding principle then you would recognize the following:

Edited by drgonzaga - 09-Dec-2007 at 20:46