Is been evidenced the presence of the  pre-Indoeupean population in the balkan region. Under this circumstance minght examine any pre- IE remnats in the Albanian languagge.
the vigesimal system of number: nje-zet (twenty), dy-zet(forty), tre-zet(Sixty), kater-zet(eighty). the last two being attested by the arvanitas of greece and arbereshe of italy.(example from other language: French "quatrevingts" 80, danish  tresindstyve 60, firsindstyve 80)

Same scholalars have assumed that albanian has preseved also some other pre-IE words
Cabej:lepjete in c.p with greek  λαπαηον;  Vere, Vene  "wine"; shege " pomegranate"
Baric: (H)ardhi in c.p with basque "Ardeo"; bisht "tail"; mal "mountain"; sh-kurre "scrub".

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arzuhal is not albanian word.

Arzu means wish. I dont know origin of it. Maybe Turkish or persian.

Hal is also Turkish-persian-arabic(No idea) means position.

 

Originally posted by Mortaza arzuhal is not albanian word. Arzu means wish. I dont know origin of it. Maybe Turkish or persian. Hal is also Turkish-persian-arabic(No idea) means position.

both Arabic I think.Arzu means land I believe.(hal may be persian)

And yes, ARAB, everyone knows that the Ottoman language which is very different to 'modern' Turkish was strongly influenced by Arabic so your language had a large number of Arab loan words even if that happened via the Ottomans.

Large? Its not large, there are yes. But most are religous based.

Rediculous?? OK as you like..

I could have presented the 'classic' explanation that Zeus is nothing more than the possessive case of 'tou Dios'. That derives from the alleged IE root 'Dyeus' that gave the name to other Gods like the Latin 'Deus', Vedic 'Dyaus', the Germanic 'Tiwaz', Sanskrit Dydus...etc..
But that isn't good enough for me, since I'm against the IE theory and I try to look into the myth and see the connection of the name to it, I try to find the meaning..
As seen in the example of Athena, that is clearly connected to the myth or an older post pertaining to the name and deeds of Herakles. Of course they are open to rejection and alterations but 'Zot' ????

I mean please, give me a break.. but you classify something you can't comprehend as rediculous..

Anyway, I spent a couple of min' looking into this online dictionary that for some mysterious reason (I wonder why) doesn't acknowledge your "Vije" and "Bindes" but it must be some kind of technicality (I hope)..
The word "arma" actually proves nothing since it exists both in neighboring Latin, ater Italian, and both ancient and 'modern' Hellinic (not to mention French and English) many suggest a proto-IE root "ar"..but then again...
So as I said since the first written records of Albanian date to the 15th cent. this proves nothing, it could have been adopted at literally any time, from ancient to just a couple of centuries ago. We have no way of knowing..

From what I know, Vidasus as explained by W. Meid is connected to the old Germanic root "id" = tree/forest, also seen as "wid" and in Irish as "fid", so it might be an adoption from the Celtic tribes like that of the "Japodes" that had settled in the area..

As I said the topic is still open and the names of the linguists have been posted. Linguists that came to the conclusion that ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.

Parrot???
You said semi-correct, so I just cleared that I'm as usual 100% correct and cocky as always.


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Originally posted by Maju Ok, guys, let's not start a flame war Greek vs. Albanian. In what regards to me Greeks and Albanians can have shared the Blacans since the eanderthal man. The point here is not if Albanians are Illyrians or Moesians or Thracians or Dacians or whatever. Same for Greeks. The pont is that Albanians could have been in the Balcans in the period we are talking about under another name or whatever and that they could be related to Etruscans and Lemnians, if those transcriptions are correct.

Thats the point that im trying to make too. The name might have not always been Albanian but rather differnet tribes with similar linguistic customs who eventually got preserved under one great surviving one over time.

Its hard and time consuming to fully try to understand what the whole statement means in Albanian. Does the author where you got it from offer this?

Well Ill tell you in one shot that no Albanian speaker will simply stay in front of the wall and tell you exactly what it means. This is a language that has gone extinct for more than 2000 years ago. A lot of changes can happen in all those years even if some part of it is indeed represented in Albanian. It also seems that the writting is written backwords or was the picture just taken that way??
One thing though is Albanian grammar is very complicated and a serious student of the language will tell you this.
Albanian has 2 forms(active and inactive) and 8 tenses per verb... that means you can conjugate certain words 16 different ways! There is tenses that im unsure if other neighboring languages have such as wishful, Indicative etc.
For example a simple word such as
Punoj - (to work)
wishful tense
Une(I) punofsha (I wish I could/can work)                          
Ti(you) punofsh
Ai/Ajo(he/she) punofte
Ne(Us) punofshim
Ju(You) punofsh*t
Ata/Ato(They) punofshin

I don't know if other languages use the type of conjugation such as the one described above. Could this have been Etruscan in origin??

Originally posted by Phallanx Parrot??? You said semi-correct, so I just cleared that I'm as usual 100% correct and cocky as always.

While I can't criticize you from being cocky, people who think they are "100% correct" usually aren't.
You were 50% correct because these words didn't come straight from Arabia... they came from the Turks who borrowed and who have probably changed them around a little or a lot so there. And also one more thing: you usually laugh a lot when you read things you don't agree on... seems like you use a lot of emotional impulses in order to discredit the statements without first trying to reason through.

Etruscan is classified as isolate. That means that they don't know of any sufficiently proven classification. But that doesn't mean that someone can't eventually come and say: I have found the relative and is... (Albanian??). Albanian itself is in the verge of IE classification. All trees of IE (that I've seen) show it as separate branch near the origins. Philology anyhow is not any exact science but rather is subject to opinions and heated discussions, specially when the subject is not clear. I mean everybody agrees in the existence of IE family but guess there may be one or two that say that Albanian is not correctly in it or that Etruscan should be. And IE is the family that has been best studied and that gathers the greatest agreement. When you come to Uralo-Altaic and things like that... buff!

Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by neritan Same scholalars have assumed that albanian has preseved also some other pre-IE words Cabej:lepjete in c.p with greek  λαπαηον;  Vere, Vene  "wine"; shege " pomegranate" Baric: (H)ardhi in c.p with basque "Ardeo"; bisht "tail"; mal "mountain"; sh-kurre "scrub". Also there's no Basque word "ardeo". There is ardo (wine), ardi (sheep), arto (millet, now maize) and arte (between, also a type of oak). The three first terms could come from the East, via the Mediterranean or other route, as neither product is original from the country, but were imported at some time. Ardi (sheep) and arto (corn, millet) should have come with the Mediterranean Neolithic, unless it's a Neolithic neologism based in some other word. Ahari (ram), for instance, resembles too much Greek aries to be just a coincidence.

you're right. The word is  ardao 'wine'
http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/balkan/ehamp.html#9.

neritan What exactly is the Hellinic word you wrote cause I can't make anything of it??

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Originally posted by Phallanx Parrot??? You said semi-correct, so I just cleared that I'm as usual 100% correct and cocky as always.

100% correct
Look this your post PHALLANX. Is same logic of Albanian-Etruscan connection