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Attila2 
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 Topic: The most successful leaderPosted: 11-Oct-2005 at 07:30 |
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After choosing the cruelest,its time to elect the most successful one! waiting for your opinions... |
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the Bulgarian
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 07:33 |
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Alexander. |
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Paul
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 07:41 |
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William Wallace and Boudica, now didn't they both lose. I'd say Alexander, he had the good sense to die, before it all went pear shaped. |
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giani_82
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 07:42 |
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The most successful in what - reforming, conquering, establishing a long lived empire? Wallace didn't live long enough to see the results of his campaign, Boadicea failed. IMO Ghengis Khan should be included, and I'll most galdly vote for him
 - besides expanding the most he managed to secure to some extent the future of his empire.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall."
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Alkiviades
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 08:25 |
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I would also vote for Chinghiz... this poll lacks about 90% of the most succesful leader ever, while including some who have nothing to do with the word "success" Of those listed, certainly Alexander is the greatest (and not because he had the sense to die, as Paul said, but because he was the stuff magnanimous leaders are made of) |
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Maju
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 08:40 |
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The choice is pretty limited and most were actually not very succesful, so I had to vote for old good Alex.
 You could have looked in more succesful leaders such as the first Caliphs, Octavius, Charlemagne, Washington, Ferdinand of Aragon, Gengis Khan, Asoka, Stalin, Mao and surely many others. Of your choice, Attila compares to Alexander but his legacy was even more feeble, Hannibal was glorious but ultimately failed in achieving his goals, not sure about the British ones, and, well, Ataturk achieved something but not enough probably. |
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azimuth
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 08:53 |
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well none of the above is the most succesfull leader in whole history. alexander didnt actully lead a country he was a great general and a conquerer and didnt live enough to show how his rule would be.
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gcle2003
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 09:10 |
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William the Conqueror. The dynasty he founded went on to establish the largest empire in history, and still exists, even though the empire has been transformed into a community of equals. None of the others can claim that. In fact nobody anyone else has mentioned can claim that. Edited by gcle2003 |
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Attila2
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 09:37 |
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well I just had only 10 slots and I just thought of 8... and a stupid mistake not to add Cengiz Han too.. sorry for that |
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 12:09 |
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I think we should count all the leaders starting from acient Egypt and Babylon with monarchs to modern leaders such as Prezident Clinton of United States of America. Different times different leaders. "Managing small same as managing big" Tzun zi
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rider
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 12:37 |
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If leaders then Atatrk. Atleast from that list.
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dirtnap
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Posted: 11-Oct-2005 at 20:16 |
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Some of these opinions astonish me as perhaps mine does to others.
Khan was the most successful leader the world has ever seen IMO followed by Alexander. Edited by dirtnap |
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ramin
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Posted: 12-Oct-2005 at 01:19 |
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"I won't laugh if a philosophy halves the moon"
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Ahmed The Fighter
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Posted: 12-Oct-2005 at 05:20 |
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Mustafa pasha Ataturk.
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"May the eyes of cowards never sleep"
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Behi
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Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 06:03 |
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Where is Cyrus the Great's name???
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Chingis
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Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 06:36 |
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All from European empires? |
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azimuth
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Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 07:25 |
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and two turkish and one north african.
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Maju
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Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 10:24 |
No: the two like Atilla and others failed in one thing: to give continuity to their Empires. They got divided and succumbed after their death, so they failed in the aftermath. |
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Alkiviades
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Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 10:47 |
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That's just innacurate. Chinghiz was succeeded by five Khaghans, I can't see how that is "failing to give continuity to his empire". And, by all means, you can't say his administrative work wasn't superb - even if he was the greatest butcher in history too. Also, Alexander's empire may have been divided but a)he died before he finished his conquest (not to mention his administrative work) and b)most certainly three centuries of Greek rule from the Tyrrenean sea to Hindu river and from Danube to Nubia, should be accounted for, wouldn't you agree? Besides, all this is irelevant: the success of a ruler is not measured by the success of his heirs, but of his own. Another prime examples of extraordinary rulers with crappy heirs: Basil Bulgaroktonos has brought Byzantium in its most powerful state... and the two emperors succeeding him lost half the empire because of their incompetence. Does this mean Basil is not THE most succesful leader of Byzantium? |
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dirtnap
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Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 21:38 |
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What Alkiviades perfectly pointed out...
Edited by dirtnap |
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