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kotumeyil
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Topic: iran turks Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 03:12 |
Topic closed for nonsense aggression
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 22:09 |
janiss, my dear, Azeris are iranic, are one of the most pure iranic peoples, and when you say azeris are of different race from iranians, you are a being just plain stupid, exuse me.
and this merced kid goes around forums trashing IRAN, merced do you have anylife, you pan-turkish racist.
im an azeri, we will never be called turks, and the republic of azeribaijan is ARRAN, the poeple are not azeri but ARRANI, another Iranic poeple.
*Edited for insults - kotumeyil*
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Iran = Iran, nothing else
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merced12
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 18:44 |
i post this topic only knowledge but you ayran is not needed to get this subject
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http://www.turks.org.uk/
16th century world;
Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
`azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim``
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merced12
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 18:40 |
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http://www.turks.org.uk/
16th century world;
Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
`azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim``
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kotumeyil
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 18:14 |
Now there are two members that claim to be Azeri: One seems like a pan-turkist and the other seems to admire Aryan identity. Now, how can you expect us to acept any generalizations?!?
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Janissary
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 17:57 |
ok, ok, Turks are not going to give u those guys that u took in 1812 and 1827, ok?
Whenewere u say or want them to be, They are turkish, and some of u too, And also, there is no any nation that calls Iran Today. There is Fars or Persian, There is Kurds, There is Turks and there is Lors and so on. Those nation are from Iran right now, but they are not Iranian, They belong to their nation, Those 28, 25 or 18 million guys that u call "Azeriis" They are turks, who has turkish blood, and this blood will not just turn into Persian if u will want it to.
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 10:54 |
Seems that I have closed in on another hotly debated issue.
Aryan Khadem wrote:
Remember Turkic peoples are non-turks who speak or adopted Turkish language and are not ethnically Turks. | |
I can only make sense out of this by imagining Aryan Khadem might mean that 'Turkic' is for catagorizing people who speak this language. And that one does not have to be of Turk genetic make up to belong to the Turkic family. Yet he also fails to accept that most of the Turkic speakers are from Turk stock. So my recommendation for him is to provide links on this polarizing claim. Otherwise he may end up sounding irrational.
My second suggestion is for those who want to refute him. You could do so with logic that transcends anger. Its better that way.
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 10:38 |
Originally posted by ramin
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I don't undestand why you insist so hard in reducing the Azeri population of Iran... what's the deal?
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I am not insisting on reducing it, he is insisting on increasing it without any valid source. I am going by CIA information, I want to know where the figure of 28 million or whatever comes from, or are you happy with the spread of misinformation which our friend Jannisary is so keen to propagate.
The starting source claims that only 33% of Iran's population is Persian.
Excuse me?
I warn all parties in this discussion to remain civil and NOT make blanket statements without any source, namely you guys, Aryan Khadem and Janissary.
DayI, only English please.
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DayI
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 07:01 |
Originally posted by barbar
This is a forum, no one will check. Let's see if you are an Azari of Irani.
You also remember, there are plenty of Azeris who call themselves Turkic rather than Iranian.
Never say terms like " No Azeri's will ever (no offence to turks) call themselves Turks..", as this will upset some of our Azeri friends who think they are Turkic. Anyway, you or your grandmother can't delegate the whole people.
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He (that wannabe guy) is a FAKE one, he wants to claim azeri's are aryan, i never met an azeri who dont speaks azeri language..
YOURE A FAKE!
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DayI
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 06:58 |
Originally posted by Aryan Khadem
Remember Turkic peoples are non-turks who speak or adopted Turkish language and are not ethnically Turks.
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You drive me crazy with such nonsens!!
Byle pileri hala ne konusturuyon burda seko??!!
Let me say something to you, you will never ever gonna be a ayran or aryan wtf it is! AZERI's ARENT ARYAN
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barbar
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 04:29 |
This is a forum, no one will check. Let's see if you are an Azari of Irani.
You also remember, there are plenty of Azeris who call themselves Turkic rather than Iranian.
Never say terms like " No Azeri's will ever (no offence to turks) call themselves Turks..", as this will upset some of our Azeri friends who think they are Turkic. Anyway, you or your grandmother can't delegate the whole people.
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Either make a history or become a history.
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Aryan Khadem
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 03:48 |
By the way before my grandmother moved to Tehran she knew Turkish and spoke Farsi with a Turkish accent, still does, in Turkey they understood her but she spoke differently with more Persian words in her dialect of Turkish....
Remember Turkic peoples are non-turks who speak or adopted Turkish language and are not ethnically Turks.
*This post has earned a spot in the Dungeon*
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Life is beautiful but I am darker then Life.
Iran Aziz Janam Fadayt
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Aryan Khadem
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 03:30 |
Barbar I am Azeri, from Tabriz, and tehran..... not even my grandmother who speaks Turkish calls herself a Turk and she is 85 yrs old
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Life is beautiful but I am darker then Life.
Iran Aziz Janam Fadayt
ShahanShah
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ramin
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 03:23 |
Pourya
I don't undestand why you insist so hard in reducing the Azeri population of Iran... what's the deal?
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"I won't laugh if a philosophy halves the moon"
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barbar
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 01:21 |
I think our Azerbayjani friends can solve your fanatic problem.
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Either make a history or become a history.
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Aryan Khadem
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Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 01:14 |
And Iranian Azeri's the true Azeris' are actually Iranians even the name is driven from Farsi.... No Azeri's will ever (no offence to turks) call themselves Turks......
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Life is beautiful but I am darker then Life.
Iran Aziz Janam Fadayt
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Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 19:41 |
Please show where you get your figures, CIA says Azaris are 24% (+ Turkoman 2% = 26%) total of 18 million Turkic.
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Janissary
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Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 18:02 |
There are many differences, and The main Is Blood. I think there is difference between Aryan and Turkish blood
And if they were same, we were not be argued in every discussion
And remember, the fact is there is 28 million Azerbaijan Turks in Iran!!!
May be some of them mixed with Persians, but not more that 2-3 million
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Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 08:03 |
Your information is flawed and contorted, the figure is more like 16m and decreasing, mainly because they are moving to Persian areas and losing their language, aside from their language there is no real difference.
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Janissary
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Posted: 18-Oct-2005 at 00:25 |
Thank u for helping me to try to make Persians accept that there more than 25 millon Azerbaijan Turkish in Iran now
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