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Poll Question: Which is the most cruel leader in history
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45 [28.30%]
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    Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 14:48

Originally posted by Renegade

Vlad Dracula, he might have killed only a few compared to or Stalin, but he had no ideal or background that gave him the urge to kill. He just impaled people on stakes because of selfish reasons. A noble was impaled just because his nose made noises in front of the Count.

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Well, the stories aside, Vlad Tepes (the impaler) technically, did have a motive. He used terror against his enemies. I mean that does not justify his actions but still, considering he was the leader of a small country fighting against an expanding empire with a powerful military force, he tried to use anything availible. A forest of impaled bodies would make even the bravest feel uneasy. He also had his enemies executed most of the time so others would not go that way. So of course he was cruel but he did not kill for no reason. (he had his own sick reason like everyone else on the poll).(Dracula also killed with a motive, he needed to feed. )

Anyway I can not say any one those people was crueler than the others for they all killed people.Only that Attilla killed them in a period where massacres where commonplace whereas Hitler killed them in the "Modern Age".



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  Quote Sherzod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2006 at 15:55

One of the people that they didnt put as an option was Temur the Lame. He was just sicked out. He made a goblet out of a skull of one of his enemies. He also killed his own wife and drank her blood because she had been sleeping with another man. And to be on his council you had to soak your clothes in the blood of your enemy. Whenever he destroyed a town he would cut the head of everyone in the village and leave them in a pile. But he did have a mental problem.

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Come oon!! where did you get that???

The story about the drinking of blood, just sucks! Even The Real Dracula hasnt done that, where you get that? 

Mental problems you say??

Yes I agree, he was cruel, but he was fair, and by no means he had mental problems!!! He did everything for the development of his nation, just imagine how much he tryed for the culture, science and everthing! It was after him, all the geniouses emerged in the Central Asia, because he built the base for it!!!

He was cruel to those who betrayed and did not accept his dominance! but, he was fair to the rest!!!

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-May-2006 at 17:20
Tamerlane..agreed.

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  Quote Gargoyle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-May-2006 at 17:40

Khan Krum, my favourite Bulgarian Khan, also drank from the skull of one of his defeated enemies in the year 811. This enemy being Nicephorus I, Emperor of Byzantine. But he does'nt sound as mean as Temur the Lame.

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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 04:21
Originally posted by Sherzod

One of the people that they didnt put as an option was Temur the Lame. He was just sicked out. He made a goblet out of a skull of one of his enemies. He also killed his own wife and drank her blood because she had been sleeping with another man. And to be on his council you had to soak your clothes in the blood of your enemy. Whenever he destroyed a town he would cut the head of everyone in the village and leave them in a pile. But he did have a mental problem.

Come oon!! where did you get that???

The story about the drinking of blood, just sucks! Even The Real Dracula hasnt done that, where you get that?

Dracula not drinking blood doesn't mean nobody else can drink it.


Mental problems you say??

Yes I agree, he was cruel, but he was fair, and by no means he had mental problems!!! He did everything for the development of his nation,

Very funny. Did any of these cruel persons do cruelty for the development of their enemies ?

He was cruel to those who betrayed and did not accept his dominance! but, he was fair to the rest!!!

Funny again. Could you please list out the cruel people who were cruel to those whom they loved & liked & cherished & those who were fully loyal to them ?



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  Quote Mordoth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 18:18

Eerrm ;

I could just say that those ERAs may be ordered " Kill to survive " or something like that . ( I mean Chinggis and 15 - 16 th centuries )
However ; The worst - The most Brutal one should be Pol Pot of Cambodia .
Despite he is a well-educated person  ; he did not let the Cambodian people to be educated , and killed anyone who refused to be a SLAVE of him .
 
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  Quote Timotheus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 00:24
Mao was pretty bad (and got my vote). Not only was he cruel, but he starved a great deal of his population to death in the so-called "Great Leap Forward". Think of what Kim Jong-Il is today, on a scale a thousand times larger.

Obviously it's hard to compare one to another. But some of those "civilized" Roman emperors were pretty bad as well! Not to mention Montezuma and the entire Aztec nation -- one of the cruelest cultures to ever have existed! But I suppose we're being politically correct and that doesn't count. Fine, take the Vikings. They were pretty disgusting in how cruel they were. Almost as bad as the Aztecs. Then there were all the religious wars, from the Middle Ages to the end of the Thirty Years War. You may carp and complain about Hitler, but he was nothing compared to the popes who ordered the Crusades, the conquistadores who took the New World, the kings who oversaw the Inquisition, and the Jesuits who ran the Counter-Reformation, which was the biggest mass-murder campaign of a particular group (Protestant Christians) the planet has seen. B.H. Liddell Hart wrote interesting things about this.
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 00:41
Many other persons could be included in this list. Timur for example, pol pot.
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  Quote Batu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 09:22
ariel sharon is cruel
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  Quote LilLou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 22:14
quote/ Not to mention Montezuma and the entire Aztec nation -- one of the cruelest cultures to ever have existed! But I suppose we're being politically correct and that doesn't count. Fine, take the Vikings. They were pretty disgusting in how cruel they were.
 
what do u mean by one of the cruelest nations that ever existed, many cultures in europe sacrificed to their gods as well and in many cases even more and only sacrificed their enemys but were a well developed society were many people had freedoms and rights.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 23:36
I believe claim that Stalin compares with Hitler is just a way to excuse the evil that was the Nazi leader, and his followers.
 
Stalin was a brutish dictator that controlled its people by terror. But as any dictator knows, to terrorize people is not necessary to commit genocide. It is just enough to apply random killings of the political enemies, and some of the friends as well. He may be accountable for half a million direct deaths.
 
Famine is a matter that can be blaim on lack of skills but not necessarily intentions. After all, tens of millions died of famine during the Mao's regime.
 
Hitler, on the other side, was a mass murdered that wanted to exterminate the "inferior races" and in the process he started WW II, which ended the lifes of  50 million people. He is the worst criminal of recent history. He show its fury not only against Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Slaves and handicaped peoples, but at the end against its own German people forcing them to die fighting. And at the end he commited suicide as the coward he always was.
 
Ghengis Khan, and its mongols were the cruelest people of the ancient times and the scale of their crimes is unknown. How many people they killed? 5, 10, 20, 100 millions? Perhaps we will never know, but certainly they were many.
 
Yes, Hitler and Ghengis has something in common. Both were brute barbarians. Stalin was only a machiavelic dictator that did what all dictators do. Kept his people controlled by random killings.
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 23:44
Originally posted by LilLou

quote/ Not to mention Montezuma and the entire Aztec nation -- one of the cruelest cultures to ever have existed! But I suppose we're being politically correct and that doesn't count. Fine, take the Vikings. They were pretty disgusting in how cruel they were.
 
what do u mean by one of the cruelest nations that ever existed, many cultures in europe sacrificed to their gods as well and in many cases even more and only sacrificed their enemys but were a well developed society were many people had freedoms and rights.
 
Who say it so? Aztecs were indeed a very cruel people. Just remember they keep the Mexicans under control by terror. Vikings were also a cruel bunch that enjoyed human sacrifices and tortures like "the angel".
 
But don't forget Romans, a very refined and educated fellows, good engineers, and brave in battle, were a bunch of murdered that crucified people in large scale and enjoyed the killings in the circus.
 
And remember than refined Chineses were never recognized to be very respectfull of human rights either, as it is illustrated by the millions that died building the chinese wall.
 
And people of today say Spaniards are cruel because of bullfighting LOL. We have changed a little aren't we? We just should forgive boxing, risky sports and those ugly movies on TV, and perhaps people of the future won't judge us cruel as well.
 
 
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  Quote Attila2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 18:27
Originally posted by mamikon

why isnt Talaat Pasha on the list
 
because there aren't enough evidence about what he did ;)
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  Quote Attila2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 18:57
Originally posted by Land of Aryan

as I said B4:

who can be as cruel as Changiz???

Who can kill 60,000,000 pepole in 60 years of life, each 1,000,000 pepole for 1 year life time of Changiz

after him, his heirs follow his way, Tatars & then Turks. but they never could shine as their Grandfather.

after their slaughters, We only have Nazies & Japanese but they couldn't slaughter as Mongol even with modern Weapons & Technology, & extra Population.

Compare 70 years ago Population & Technology to 6 Centuries ago

I think Mongols were biggest threat for humanity

 
Behold your tongue,heres not the place for racist trolls AFAIK.hey where are the mods????
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  Quote Mordoth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 20:29
LoA ;
How dare could you mean Heirs, like TURKS  ? Why do you post such a thread  ? What is your problem with Mongolians ?
It was the era of Chinggis , and the prosedure should be like that ; are you comparing modern-day with ancient eras ?
That quote should be examined.
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 01:14
What is wrong with Land of Aryan's quotes. Shouldn't it be considered true ? Or is it wrong ?
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  Quote Hellios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 07:31
Originally posted by Attila2

Which one of these is the most cruel leader the mankind has ever seen?
 
 
Don't forget Idi Amin LOL
 
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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 12:08
well i would like to vote for mr.GEORGE W. BUSH-killer of innocents in afghanistan and iraq and a big bully and threat for independent countries like iran,north korea,venenzula,etc
these guys are nothing in front of him
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 01:43
George Bush is a very good person, who is fighting for the rights of th oppressed people all over the world. No matter he is a hero in so many countries including our esteemed neighbour Pakistan, Our own country India etc....
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  Quote Tipu Sultan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:01
George Bush is a very good person, who is fighting for the rights of th oppressed people all over the world. No matter he is a hero in so many countries including our esteemed neighbour Pakistan, Our own country India etc....

oh yea a hero-lol for racists people who believe that they are supreme and others are of low caste-my foot.
hitler is also a hero for many racistsLOL
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