Ossetians

Serbian:BREZA(birch tree if i'm guessing right);MED-honey...Do u recognize this word:dushman.Does kar(or similar) means anything in iranian(it means black in turkish).Serbian epic hero had a hound named Karaman.

Originally posted by Socrates Serbian:BREZA(birch tree if i'm guessing right);MED-honey...Do u recognize this word:dushman.Does kar(or similar) means anything in iranian(it means black in turkish).Serbian epic hero had a hound named Karaman.

Qara/Qaura means "power", "strength" in both Ossetic dialects. There is also "kar/kara" what is "age". In Turkic languages "kara" is black, that is right.

Originally posted by Zagros Qodrat is power in Persian, but I think this word has semitic aramaic roots.

It is interesting...

Gergian text. David Bagrationi "History of Georgia". http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/rus11/Bagrationi/frametext1.ht m
(in Russian)

There is a comment about "Caraman, a Persian knight". I have translated below:

//Time by time Georgia was conquested by different nations. This country was under rule of Dashti-Kipchaks, i.e. nations of Great Tataria, what was mentioned in "Tatarian history", written in Persian language by historian Tartuz about Ushang-Shah, called Kuzan of Anketil, and where it is written about exploits of Karaman, a Persian knight, who served Ushang-Shah. The writer of the story says that Georgian army was with Ushang-Shah during his  way to India.//

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 I read something interesting about the possible ethimology of Karaman in serbian epics-one historian proposes that it was derived from Sarama -which appears to be an ancient indian godess of wind(or similar)...

How about losh- it means bad,corrupted...rings any bells?

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Ossetians lived on mountains for centuries and far from sea. However the language has some words for exotic sea animals. Can anybody tell is any coincidence with other Iranian languages? What words are for those animals in your language? Please...chemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />>>

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Ford - sea>>

Uartdzaf - Ocean>>

Samsagaf - dolphin (samsa ? + gaf (fish))>>

Donihog - dolphin (means water caw)>>

Arheugaf - dolphin (arheu ?  + gaf (fish))>>

Gaja - whale>>

Galgaf - whale (bull+fish)>>

Bergaf - sea caw (ber ? + gaf (fish))

Originally posted by Zagros Gav (like Ossetian gaf), means cow, seems like everything is a type of cow lol.

Not exactly. "gal" i bull (gav?), but "gaf" is from "kaf" (fish). When it is uzed with another word the "k" becomes "g". I don't know why.   But caw is "hog" (g^og). Anyway it is close.

The Persian word for "Whale" is "Balen", "Nahang" (Manichean Pahlavi nhng) means "Crocodile".

The most widespread fish in the Caspian sea (in fact it is native to the Caspian sea but has been introduced into Europe, North America, and elsewhere.), is Carp, in Persian Kapur.

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Originally posted by Anbalan Originally posted by Zagros Qodrat is power in Persian, but I think this word has semitic aramaic roots. It is interesting... Gergian text. David Bagrationi "History of Georgia". http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/rus11/Bagrationi/frametext1.ht m (in Russian) There is a comment about "Caraman, a Persian knight". I have translated below: //Time by time Georgia was conquested by different nations. This country was under rule of Dashti-Kipchaks, i.e. nations of Great Tataria, what was mentioned in "Tatarian history", written in Persian language by historian Tartuz about Ushang-Shah, called Kuzan of Anketil, and where it is written about exploits of Karaman, a Persian knight, who served Ushang-Shah. The writer of the story says that Georgian army was with Ushang-Shah during his  way to India.//

As far as i know Karamans are Turkic descent people who where in anatolia before the seljoeks came there (after 1071) and most of them where/are orthodox christians.

Also we have some hero's with the word karaman in it.

Originally posted by Socrates Serbian:BREZA(birch tree if i'm guessing right);MED-honey...Do u recognize this word:dushman.Does kar(or similar) means anything in iranian(it means black in turkish).Serbian epic hero had a hound named Karaman.

dushman is the Turkifed version of as zagros pointed doshman in persian and it means enemy. Kar/kara means black but also land, like qara qumlum desert in northern china. Kar means also snow.

We have city's called in Turkey as "Karaman" and have proverb "karaman'in koyunu sonradan cikar oyunu" i cant translate it its hard.