ATATURK!!!

well there was a similar topic bfore but i think it got locked anyway,

selamun aleykum brother and welcome,

Ive herd similar things also about the quote u mentioned but maybe our brothers from turkey can elaborate. one thing i no for sure its not going to be pretty after witnessing so many posts that clerly state the love there is for ataturk by some turkish members.

i think ataturk is very misunderstood by most of the turks he saved the country for our FUTURE not for us to be stuck back there becoz of the love that we have for him. hopefully not as much as the love for allah and the prophet inshallah. 

our savior of this life (ataturk) hopefully doesnt replace our saviour of our next eternal life (Hz Muhammed).

omg wth is this? Is it because Atat�rk whas the leader commander who did defeated the ANZAC soldiers the aussy's hate him or let hate him?

I know few words of Atat�rk what he said about Islam and Muhammed saw, for example:"you can erase my name but ours prophet Muhammed s.a.s. name will stay forever..."

I can't discuss much about this quote, for the mere reason I find it for the first time.

Yet it's reasonable for many people to respect the legacy of Ataturk, his work to prevent your country from total consumption requires admiration. After all the first country with revised treaty after WW I is Turkey. IMO, his reforms were necessary to secure the future of the country, and in a way it's because of him the fact that Turkey has recently started negotiations with the EU. And if at some points he acted harsh, in internal conflicts or on the political scene (trying to establish a one party state - the two attempts for insertion of another party failed at some time) it was because he wanted to prevent fundamentalist movements alongside anarchial ideology. Afterall, he managed to dodge the communist movement which was quite intense between the two world wars and shortly after them.

If there are Christian Arabs there can be Christian Turks. To be christians doesn't mean to forget your language or culture. Look at the slavic people: they were slav before christianity and they remained slav after conversion to christianity. I heard that during the Ottoman Empire there were Turkish speaking christians who went to Greece after the population exchange, is it true?

i never sed that there cant be any christian turks i just sed it is extremely rare in todays world to see a turkish person who is a fully devoted christian.

the reasons are obviuos, muslims believe in jesus (pbuh) anyway so it can be unlogical (is that right?) to go back one step and reject mohammed (pbup). but i am not denying that it can happen but as i sed it is extremely rare.

Not every Turk is a moslem. Many are atheist. Some are still searching. Others have Christian ancestry and are either staying that way or are reverting to their older faith. Faith in religion can be based on reason, desire, peer pressure and familiarity, etc.. For a moslem to go back and deny the last prophet of Islam sounds illogical. But for the undecided it is not necessary to see it that way. In Christianity Jesus may be the final arbiter and saviour. So for Christians the logic is to reject religions that do not hold this view, especially a religion that came after it. Since not all Turks are sold on the Islamic relgion, they may feel comfortable in other religions such as Christianity.

Ataturk is considered as a hero especially for his leading role in the Independence War, not for his modernizing reforms. On the other hand, you are extremely vulgarizing the results of those reforms.

Beside the many unic things, also the practice of the borrowed features are performed in a unic way.  So you are vulgarizing the results of those reforms I think....