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    Posted: 12-Oct-2005 at 09:27
also i heard of that Muslim Greeks where deported inner anatolia during WW1, is that also true?
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There was a news on Turkish TVs that he would come and visit his grandfathers' house...
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The name indicates so, but his family originates from the Area of Serres, in Macedonia, long before the Karamanlides of Cappadocia came to the area. so I really don't know, perhaps some other connection exists which we're not aware of...

 



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I heard that Kostas Karamanlis is one of them. Am I right?
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Originally posted by Alessandro

 I heard that during the Ottoman Empire there were Turkish speaking christians who went to Greece after the population exchange, is it true?

Absolutelly, you reffer to the Karamanlides: http://www.megarevma.net/Karamanlides.htm

this is their site: http://www.kappadokes.gr/english/history/his_pages/his_19.ht m

 

The same has happened to ethnik Greek muslims, espesially in Crete, who were deported along with the Turks. Today there's a village in Tunisia where the inhabitants still speak Greek, but are Muslims and come from Crete.

 

 
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the turkish culture is almost identical to the islamic culture anyway. for example i cant imagine a christian or jew turk.

If there are Christian Arabs there can be Christian Turks. To be christians doesn't mean to forget your language or culture. Look at the slavic people: they were slav before christianity and they remained slav after conversion to christianity. I heard that during the Ottoman Empire there were Turkish speaking christians who went to Greece after the population exchange, is it true?
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Originally posted by erci

I am first Turk, then Muslim

the turkish culture is almost identical to the islamic culture anyway. for example i cant imagine a christian or jew turk. atheist is different though thats denial and people can get into denial easily. but the way i see it, it is more rare to come across a christian turk then it is to a christain arab.

so that statement is irrelevant in my opinion ofcourse, 

we are turkish muslims- one cant calm before the other.
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hi i like to introduce myself my name is Cengiz and i am a turk although if someone did ask me am i turk? i would say im a muslim.

I found this quote from the internet i was thinking what use think of it, is it true use think?

"If you said one thing bad about Ataturk you are executed, yet say one bad thing about Allah you are considered mad."

also this not a quote but its something someone asked me the other day knowing i was a devoted determined muslim They said to me: "Your a traitor to ATATURK". knowing they werent loyal to ALLAH and they didnt practise Islam i said back "Your a traitor to ALLAH."

mind something else, no use of discussing such things.can't you think of your own?
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I can't discuss much about this quote, for the mere reason I find it for the first time.

Yet it's reasonable for many people to respect the legacy of Ataturk, his work to prevent your country from total consumption requires admiration. After all the first country with revised treaty after WW I is Turkey. IMO, his reforms were necessary to secure the future of the country, and in a way it's because of him the fact that Turkey has recently started negotiations with the EU. And if at some points he acted harsh, in internal conflicts or on the political scene (trying to establish a one party state - the two attempts for insertion of another party failed at some time) it was because he wanted to prevent fundamentalist movements alongside anarchial ideology. Afterall, he managed to dodge the communist movement which was quite intense between the two world wars and shortly after them.
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omg wth is this? Is it because Atatrk whas the leader commander who did defeated the ANZAC soldiers the aussy's hate him or let hate him?

I know few words of Atatrk what he said about Islam and Muhammed saw, for example:"you can erase my name but ours prophet Muhammed s.a.s. name will stay forever..."
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oh not again! Ataturk!! why is this topic raised every once a while!

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well there was a similar topic bfore but i think it got locked anyway,

selamun aleykum brother and welcome,

Ive herd similar things also about the quote u mentioned but maybe our brothers from turkey can elaborate. one thing i no for sure its not going to be pretty after witnessing so many posts that clerly state the love there is for ataturk by some turkish members.

i think ataturk is very misunderstood by most of the turks he saved the country for our FUTURE not for us to be stuck back there becoz of the love that we have for him. hopefully not as much as the love for allah and the prophet inshallah. 

our savior of this life (ataturk) hopefully doesnt replace our saviour of our next eternal life (Hz Muhammed).
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hi i like to introduce myself my name is Cengiz and i am a turk although if someone did ask me am i turk? i would say im a muslim.

I found this quote from the internet i was thinking what use think of it, is it true use think?

"If you said one thing bad about Ataturk you are executed, yet say one bad thing about Allah you are considered mad."

also this not a quote but its something someone asked me the other day knowing i was a devoted determined muslim They said to me: "Your a traitor to ATATURK". knowing they werent loyal to ALLAH and they didnt practise Islam i said back "Your a traitor to ALLAH."

 

 
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