Are Japans and Koreans mongoloid or Turanoid or different?

A Chinese guy once told me of a Chinese myth that the Japanese were once Chinese who migrated to what is now Japan and gained their own identity.  I don't know how true this is though, as for Koreans, I don't know.  I'm guessing Koreans are genetically related to Mongols.  I know that linguistics try to put Korean and Japanese in the Altay group but most linguistics don't accept this.  Right now they're considered isolated languages.  Also, there's a Pan-Turanist governmental party is Japan, I just read an article about it but I forgot where, try to look it up I'm sure you'll find it.

N. Chinese and Koreans are very similar, however Japan has the Ainu influence as well.  Overall there's a wide range of phenotypes are very often overlap between the three peoples.

You have to put Mongoloid Turks of Central Asia to that list also;

Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians and North Chinese  AND Mongoloid Turks of Central Asia.

Well, you're talking about Chinese resources. We know that Chinese way of telling history is not that much famous today. Why don't you talk about Russian documents? When they talk about original Turks, they describe them with those kinds of eyes; with a few differences; like for example, Turks' eyes were somehow small and wider with almost smaller eyelids than Mongolian eyes' eyelids; while Mongolian eyes is usually thinner but with larger eyelids than Turks'.

I'd also like to refer to European historians when they talk about Hunes and Secas.

I think I"ve talked about this issue before in Steppes and Central Asia. I know where I live, how my other CA Turks brothers look. We've got people with mixture of Caucaian. But our original ones are all Mongoloid. Mongols were less in number. They couldn't affect all/most/many Turks to look Mongoloid.

By the way, Kyrkizes used to live far in north. Even at the time Turks used to live in Mongolia. How do they look like?

Don't forget to have a look at how Chuvash people and Yakuts look like. Yakuts speak Turkic. And they're very isolated. From long time ago. They also look Mongoloid too. No Chinese influents. No Mongolian infulent. Chuvash is also like Yakut.

Only Turkish and Azeri people (of Turkic community) look Caucauian today. We mostly look like Mongoloid. So, you can't say Turks were Mongoloid just becaue a minority (Turkish and Azeri people) are not so.

Originally posted by gok_toruk You have to put Mongoloid Turks of Central Asia to that list also; Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians and North Chinese  AND Mongoloid Turks of Central Asia.

Probably yes, and Tibetans and the native Siberian populations too. Though there may be some diferences like mixture with Caucasoids or isolated specific features. Can't say with precission.

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[QUOTE=Maju]All peoples native to North Asia (for this I mean to exclude Russians who have migrated rather recently)

I think that you musn't exclude Russians. Originally they belong to a Indoeuropean group (Slovenians), but during the Middlle ages they came to contact with mongolian tribes. Even now we can clearly see the Asian influence and genetic code. Probably the best example is former russain president Boris Yeltzin (eyes, built...). And just look at the people of Syberia, Ukraine... Yes, they have mainly blue eyes and fair hair, but mongolian eyes. And their nation wear is also similar to a Mongolian outfit.

Originally posted by magdala Originally posted by Maju All peoples native to North Asia (for this I mean to exclude Russians who have migrated rather recently) I think that you musn't exclude Russians. Originally they belong to a Indoeuropean group (Slovenians), but during the Middlle ages they came to contact with mongolian tribes. Even now we can clearly see the Asian influence and genetic code. Probably the best example is former russain president Boris Yeltzin (eyes, built...). And just look at the people of Syberia, Ukraine... Yes, they have mainly blue eyes and fair hair, but mongolian eyes. And their nation wear is also similar to a Mongolian outfit.

Yes but not. Even if some Russians have obviously mixed traits the great majority are clearly caucasians. The mongoloid traits can anyhow be found in lesser grade in most Northern and Eastern European populations, and in greater level among Lapps, that fall nevertheless inside the Caucasian family anyhow.

hmmm

as far as I see,

the chinese have  smaller heads with large jawbones

the japanese are a bit "siberian" like eskimos 

while the koreans are a bit "turanoid" with their forth coming apple bones

In my humble opinion they do seem to have some diferent looks but not very marked. You also find that variety among European nations for instance but they're much the same breed and it is anyhow dificult to say if one specific person is British, French or German though, taking the overall population you can pick up some diferences (I'd say that Germans tend to be robustly built, while Britons have a rather more light constitution, for instance - but it is very subjective).