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ShadowedRealm
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Topic: Origin of the Title Baschi Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 01:02 |
Thanks for all of the information. I really appreciate the help.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2005 at 05:26 |
"ShadowedRealm" the 'sch' is just a mis-spelling due to not knowing how to pronounce correctly the "ş - sh" and the "ı - no parallel in english" sounds, I've also come across some examples of such things but its few.
Besides that;
Solacki-Baschi, - Solakci basi
Boluck-Baschi, - Boluk/Bolukcu basi
Oda-Baschis, - Oda/Odaci basi
some such names are pretty ancient, and in some cases used a little differently.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2005 at 01:26 |
It is grammatical rule.
Bash=head
Bashi=head of, like yuzbashi, it would translate as leader of 100 heads (captain).
Also Bashi could mean "his head", like in bashibozuk, which roughly translates as "loose head", bashibozuk(lar) were mercenaries with little training in the warfare, and were used by Ottomans mostly to test enemy positions in the first attack.
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ShadowedRealm
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Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 22:07 |
Thanks for your help.
So why would I find 'baschi' instead of 'bash' or 'bashi'? Is this a
variant spelling, or possibly due to some grammatical rule? I am trying
to figure out whether or not a really old secondary source's use of the
tiitles I mentioned in my first post is valid.
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Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 11:52 |
Yes. For example we have the title "subashi", derived from the same word, and it is known it was also used by Gokturks and the Turkic communities before it (according to Kashgarli Mahmut). So it is an ancient title...
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kotumeyil
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Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 09:49 |
Bash (head) is a very basic word in Turkish so I think it's thousands of years old...
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Posted: 26-Sep-2005 at 09:48 |
basch or bash in Turkish "ba" means head. Those titles you mention are the heads of some military or servant groups. Also you see in the surname of the president of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Turkmenbashi (head of Turkmens)
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Posted: 24-Sep-2005 at 14:59 |
Does anyone know when the Turkish title baschi (used in such titles as
Solacki-Baschi, Boluck-Baschi, Oda-Baschis, etc.) orginated? Was it
during (or prior to) the medieval period?
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