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    Posted: 10-Oct-2005 at 16:40

How to explain this....

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"Very interesting information Cahaya. That actually explains the fast process of conversion better.

Tulah is black magic by the Sultan or a curse?"

Tulah is a curse... a belief in order to remain sultan's influence and power among the people.. well it works.. for hundreds of years...

It come based on concept of Daulat.... what is daulat? this one i have to seek the info...


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Well until 20th century, all Islamic world was under Turkic command.

STF up.

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talking to yourself again hagulu?

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2005 at 13:16
Originally posted by HulaguHan

Well until 20th century, all Islamic world was under Turkic command.

STF up.

Yeah.. Right...! lol ... I wonder wht's turkey roles in Islamic world in 20th century?  any example u can give HulaguHan?
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Islamic world is died Cahaya... Turkey can do nothing in a dead world.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Oct-2005 at 22:40
then you had explained ur point enough The Turk.... lol
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Originally posted by Zagros

It was through Persian and Moghul traders. the only country not to be under muslim imperial dominance that converted on its own accord.


In 1138 island of Maldives king converted to Islam,as some traders Persian and mainly Arabs told him about their faith

Such is the case with Brunei,
Malays were converted starting from Ibn Batura 1300''s all the way untill 1500''s by traders from Mellaca.

Now there are countries like Senegal,Mali,great kingdom of Mali which were converted peacefully.Only greater Jihad started in 18 centUry untill 19 to fight neocolonialism especially Livingstone,Stanley  penetration into Africa,and growing influence of Christianity in Zambezi region.Islam was spread by sword all the way untill Hindukush,but Christianity under Pizzaro was same and what Christians did to Paghans in Europe was also as brutal.Persians could remain Zoroastran and i dont mind if they were still Zoroastran.But as Islam has many qualities with older Persian religion,starting from Cyrus so people gradually accepted Islam.In Quran you have verse where (PBuh) is cursing some paghan beduins and why they didnt accept Islam then.In some 400 year period Vandals,Berberians or just Berbers in Maghreb contverted to Islam,mainly  peacefully.

Yes,Islam wasnt all peace in India,perhaps because of polytheistic teaching of HInduism  and some like Shah Jahan,Aurangazeb were quite brutal to indigenous population,mainly HIndus.But what about kingdom oF Aztecas,Pizzaro,what about those hundreds of thousands slaves of the new world and forced conversion.Islam converted mainly peacefully 80% ,20% WAS FORCE,as many country were never Islamic during Caliphate,and now are.So,yes and no

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Islam was spread by sword all the way untill Hindukush,but Christianity under Pizzaro was same and what Christians did to Paghans in Europe was also as brutal.

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" Islam was spread by sword all the way untill Hindukush,but Christianity under Pizzaro was same and what Christians did to Paghans in Europe was also as brutal." violentjack
 
Just want to comment to you,sir. I guess youve generalized Christianity and put all of it in a single box. Well, just want a brief explaination, the crusade of Catholics does not represents Christianity as a whole. Catholism is one only of so many Christian denomination. Even during the period of the crusade, there were underground Christians who were not involved in war. They, themselves hide in the caves and preserved the Bible, the foundation of Christian Faith. Just want to clarify that Catholicism claimed to Christians but they are not the only Christians. And those who involved in the crusade were actually Romans in desguised of the name Christians. since Constantine, who himself claimed to be a Christian, united the church and the state, which is not supposed to be according to the Biblical Doctrine.
 
The goal of the crusade was to capture Jerusalem to make it the seat of Catholism (not Christianity). But thanks to the Musilms, they were resisted, so the Catholics settled in Vatican to this day. :-)
 
Thanks for a deep information anyway.:-)
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Goal of Crusades my misguided friend was for certain individuals to get rich, and for certain people to gain influence and mass wealth on pretext of religious war

Peter Hermit,Enrico Gondolo,Urban 3,Gregory 7, from 1095 and Claremont to 1396 and Nicopole.
Some of inviduals that exploited crusades, to gain and get rid of enemies, under mask of ''crusades''

Not to mention that fourth crusade was mainly fought between feudal lords which gained lands and territory from first crusades.Ancestors of Bohemond of Otranto and Baldwin, who became enormously rich in gaining and expanding property, on so called pretext of religious war.And sacking of Konstantinople 1204 wasnt done by Muslims, so you should read few more books, about that subject, before you come to any kind of conclusion!

And my friend what Pizzaro did, had nothing to do with religion.

Inkas had culture, natives were forcefully converted, kings butchered, customs taken...etc


Edited by violentjack - 28-Jun-2006 at 07:45
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