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    Posted: 22-Feb-2008 at 12:54
The Romanian is actually like the Russian ы. Etymologically it can come into Romanian from basically any vowel, e.g. a parallel vowel evolution o-> can be found in the word fntnă from the Latin fontana. So I guess it could work a volhv -> *volv (I'm not sure though what was the original pronounciation of that lhv and if the h could drop like a loss of aspiration or something) -> *vlv.
 
If it helps, in Romanian the word is polysemantic. The other meaning is "agitation, stir".
 
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I cannot judge your logic due to lack of required education, but this looks resonable. The only thing, how do you explain this disappearance of h? Is there any similar evolutions? In any case, returning to your initial question, this word exists in Balkan slavs too. Were these valvas only females? Cause another etymology comes to mind Wink
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Yes, as far as I know they were only females. I know what you refer to Wink and yes, it is a possibility.
Anyway, the Romanian language dictionary gives the etymology sl. vluhvu, bg. vlahva (this implies two phenonmena, the loss of "h" and then a metathesis between the vowel and the "l" sound). Is the latter a Bulgarian word? What does it mean?
The loss of "h" not an unusual phenomenon. In Romanian occurs sometimes e.g. elicopter means helicopter, elen means Hellene. That's why I said that depending of the real pronouncation of that "h", its loss could be justified. 


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Yes.
 As far as I remember you can read Bulgarian -- here is the link about vulhva from wiki:
 
 
It has two meaning -- 1. magus and 2. wise man. Word magician (Volshebnik in slavonic languages) probably also come from the same root.
 
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I can read little Bulgarian, I'll try my best to understand that page Tongue Thank you!
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[QUOTE=Menumorut] Some genetic data about the three peoples of Transylvania:

...old Thracian populations might have made an important contribution to the foundation of the modern genetic Romanian pool...
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/search/label/Romania


...the haplogroup P*(xM173) in Szekler samples, which may reflect a Central Asian connection, and high frequency of haplogroup J in both Szeklers and Hungarians. MDS analysis based on haplogroup frequency values, confirms that modern Hungarian and Szekler populations are genetically closely related, and similar to populations from Central Europe and the Balkans.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/search/label/Hungarians




...The Transylvanian Saxons, called like that since medieval times, are representing a western population with unknown origin, settled in the Arch of Romanian Carpathian Mountains in the earliest of the 12th century. Historical and dialectal studies strongly suggest that they do not originate from Saxony, but more probably from the Mosel riversides (Rhine affluent) and also from the Eifel Mountains Valley (present territory of Luxembourg...

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/search/label/Germanic


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Hello everyone...this is my first post.

 

I don't have much personal knowledge to add to this discussion, but I did come across and interesting analysis made by American professor Kelley L. Ross (Vlach Connection). If you have time please take a look and tell us what you think.

 

 
 
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I just want to direct readers to an article I recently posted to the Medievalists.net website - Nations and Denominations in Transylvania (13th - 16th Century), by Ioan-Aurel Pop, from Tolerance and Intolerance in Historical Perspective, edited by Csaba Lévai and Vasile Vese (University of Pisa, 2003)

You can access it here
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