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Topic: Can Arabs and Turks Unite? Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 17:46 |
Then Kirkuk will have a big sign "Kikuk Be Xerhati"
and Don't push me toward that topic, some people will be mad
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 17:48 |
Originally posted by erci
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 19:43 |
Originally posted by erci
it was 72m I think also how many Arabs are there in total? |
well people who consider themselves Arabs are more than 200 millions, egypt alone is larger than turkey in popultion.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 21:13 |
'Can Arabs and Turks' unite sounds like a philosophical question that gets answered by our personal experiences and emotional desires.
There are so many ways for uniting the two. Culture, religion, history, commerce and proximity. If we grow closer in those areas then we could let go of some of our differences. The differences are many also. Language, egotism, culture and even religious views.
I have noticed that neither side lacks the wit in providing punctual yet demeaning distractions in order to belittle the other. I hope we have had our full such and can instead focus on our similarities and differences with helpfull enthusiasm.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 22:50 |
There are so many ways for uniting the two. Culture, religion, history, commerce and proximity. If we grow closer in those areas then we could let go of some of our differences.
Agreed. thank u seko i thought no one wud mention it. everyones too busy talking about differences and passed mistakes that i even almost forgot that we had these similarities.
i wud much rather prefer a world in which muslim countries can lean against each other rather then begging western countries (who BTW just loving waching this happen)
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 23:04 |
Why unite? If the Arab world can not unite on its own, than surley not Arabs and Turks together.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 23:15 |
Originally posted by strategos
Why unite? If the Arab world can not unite on its own, than surley not Arabs and Turks together. |
And why does it have to be all or none. regional unification is an option. At least, as a corner stone of bigger unifications.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 23:18 |
Originally posted by ok ge
Originally posted by strategos
Why unite? If the Arab world can not unite on its own, than surley not Arabs and Turks together. |
And why does it have to be all or none. regional unification is an option. At least, as a corner stone of bigger unifications.
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Because surley if the Arabs with common language and very similar religion/culture cannot even regionally unify, then I believe there is no chance with Turks.
Unification only leads to less voice of the minorities, but then again, it is not like they can be outspoken anyways in most places..
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 23:24 |
Why unite?
to be stronger, defend our lands from invaders and to stop anther bosnia, kosova, chechnia, kashmir, palistine, iraq, afghanistan and many more from ever happening again.
If the Arab world can not unite on its own, than surley not Arabs and Turks together.
thats the problem and i think if u red previus posts in this thread u wud see that we agreed that unification is impossible for now. maybe a treaty or alliance to ensure each others safety and development is more realistic.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2005 at 23:53 |
Originally posted by oTToMAn_TurK
Why unite?
to be stronger, defend our lands from invaders and to stop anther bosnia, kosova, chechnia, kashmir, palistine, iraq, afghanistan and many more from ever happening again.
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I am guessing "our lands" means muslim lands? And I do not think Afghanistan should neccisarily be part of that list.. but anyways..,
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Posted: 29-Sep-2005 at 01:21 |
well countries consider themselevs islamic are about 56 in the world and Afganistan is one of them.
there is already an organisation which consist of all these islamic states.
http://www.oic-oci.org/
a brief about the organisation and its aims;
The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an inter-governmental organization grouping fifty-six States. These States decided to pool their resources together, combine their efforts and speak with one voice to safeguard the interest and ensure the progress and well-being of their peoples and those of other Muslims in the world over.
The Organization was established in Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco, on 12 Rajab 1389H (25 September 1969) when the First meeting of the leaders of the Islamic world was held in this city in the wake of the criminal arson perpetrated on 21 August 1969 by Zionist elements against Al-Aqsa Mosque, in occupied Jerusalem. It was indeed in order to defend the honour, dignity and faith of the Muslims, to face this bitter challenge launched in the holy city of Al-Quds so dear to them and against the Mosque of Al-Aqsa, the first Qibla and third holiest Shrine of Islam, that the leaders of the Muslim world, at their Summit in Rabat, seized that event - which brought about unanimous worldwide condemnation and reprobation - to think together of their common cause and muster the force required to overcome their differences, unite and lay the foundations of this large grouping of States, that is, the Organization of the Islamic Conference which they entrusted, in absolute priority, with liberating Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa from Zionist occupation.
Six months after that historical meeting, i.e. in Muharram 1390H (March 1970), the First Islamic Conference of Ministers of Foreign Affairs held in Jeddah set up a permanent General Secretariat, to ensure a liaison among Member States and charged it to coordinate their action. The Conference appointed its Secretary General and chose Jeddah as the Headquarters of the Organization, pending the liberation of Jerusalem, which would be the permanent Headquarters.
Two and a half years after Rabat, in Muharram 1392H (February 1972), the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers, meeting in its Third Session, adopted the Charter of the Organization, whose purpose is to strengthen solidarity and cooperation among Islamic States in the political, economic, cultural, scientific and social fields.
Under the Charter, the Organization aims to:
1. Strengthen: a) Islamic solidarity among Member States; b) Cooperation in the political, economic, social, cultural and scientific fields: c) The struggle of all Muslim people to safeguard their dignity, independence and national rights.
2. Coordinate action to: a) Safeguard the Holy Places; b) Support the struggle of the Palestinian people and assist them in recovering their rights and liberating their occupied territories.
3. Work to: a) Eliminate racial discrimination and all forms of colonialism; b) Create a favorable atmosphere for the promotion of cooperation and understanding between Member States and other countries.
The Charter also enumerates principles which OIC Member States undertake to inspire themselves from, in order to achieve the objectives of the Organization.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2005 at 01:30 |
The OIC Member States
Currently, the OIC has 57 Member and 3 Observer States:
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Afghanistan
| 1969
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Albania, Republic of
| 1992
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Algeria, People's Democratic Republic of
| 1969
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Azerbaijan, Republic of
| 1991
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Bahrain, State of
| 1970
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Bangladesh, People's Republic of
| 1974
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Benin, Republic of
| 1982
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Brunei Dar-us-Salaam, Sultanate of
| 1984
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Burkina Faso
| 1975
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Cameroon, Republic of
| 1975
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Chad, Republic of
| 1969
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Comoros, Federal Islamic Republic of the
| 1976
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Cote d'Ivoire, Republic of
| 2001
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Djibouti, Republic of
| 1978
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Egypt, Arab Republic of
| 1969
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Gabon, Republic of
| 1974
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Gambia, Republic of the
| 1974
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Guinea, Republic of
| 1969
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Guinea-Bissau, Republic of
| 1974
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Guyana, Republic of
| 1998
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Indonesia, Republic of
| 1969
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Iran, Islamic Republic of
| 1969
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Iraq, Republic of
| 1976
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Jordan, Hashemite Kingdom of
| 1969
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Kazakhstan, Republic of
| 1995
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Kuwait, State of
| 1969
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Kyrghyzistan, Republic of
| 1992
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Lebanon, Republic of
| 1969
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Libya, Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
| 1969
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Malaysia
| 1969
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Maldives, Republic of
| 1976
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Mali, Republic of
| 1969
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Mauritania, Islamic Republic of
| 1969
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Morocco, Kingdom of
| 1969
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Mozambique, Republic of
| 1994
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Niger, Republic of
| 1969
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Nigeria, Federal Republic of
| 1986
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Oman, Sultanate of
| 1970
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Pakistan, Islamic Republic of
| 1969
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Palestine, State of
| 1969
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Qatar, State of
| 1970
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Saudi Arabia, Kingdom of
| 1969
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Senegal, Republic of
| 1969
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Sierra Leone, Republic of
| 1972
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Somalia, Democratic Republic of
| 1969
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Sudan, Republic of the
| 1969
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Surinam, Republic of the
| 1996
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Syrian Arab Republic
| 1970
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Tajikistan, Republic of
| 1992
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Togo, Republic of
| 1997
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Tunisia, Republic of
| 1969
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Turkey, Republic of
| 1969
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Turkmenistan, Republic of
| 1992
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Uganda, Republic of
| 1974
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United Arab Emirates, State of
| 1970
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Uzbekistan, Republic of
| 1995
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Yemen, Republic of
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Posted: 29-Sep-2005 at 02:01 |
Under the Charter, the Organization aims to:
1. Strengthen: a) Islamic solidarity among Member States; b) Cooperation in the political, economic, social, cultural and scientific fields: c) The struggle of all Muslim people to safeguard their dignity, independence and national rights.
2. Coordinate action to: a) Safeguard the Holy Places; b) Support the struggle of the Palestinian people and assist them in recovering their rights and liberating their occupied territories.
3. Work to: a) Eliminate racial discrimination and all forms of colonialism; b) Create a favorable atmosphere for the promotion of cooperation and understanding between Member States and other countries.
well then either the OIC is not doing a good job with this or its being prevented by western forces. the OIC has been established in 1969 so its been about 35 years and still the OIC hasnt achieved what it aims for. coz i cant even safely say that it has accomplished any of those points after all this time.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2005 at 08:25 |
Obviously i would say YES. Turkish and arabians have no real culture and history. Both are savage conquistador who killed men and women for impose their own believed and religion
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Posted: 30-Sep-2005 at 09:43 |
Are you saying bravo to the immediate post above you or to the one before? The post by MagavanSpirit is more of a accusation then historical discussion.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2005 at 09:56 |
Obviously i would say YES. Turkish and arabians have no real culture and history. Both are savage conquistador who killed men and women for impose their own believed and religion.
I don't think this guy deserves to be answered seriously. Ironically he is an Iranian... (no offence intended)
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Posted: 30-Sep-2005 at 10:09 |
Originally posted by oTToMAn_TurK
well then either the OIC is not doing a good job with this or its being prevented by western forces. the OIC has been established in 1969 so its been about 35 years and still the OIC hasnt achieved what it aims for. coz i cant even safely say that it has accomplished any of those points after all this time.
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well as you said it is prevented by western forces, and that is indirectly by many means.
and at the same time all the members are from what is called the 3rd world countries, who have lots of economical and democracy and many other internal and external problems.
and most of them are getting better in solving these problems but still, they all are ineed and not one of them is totally independent from external forces.
well at least they still have the intention to accomplish their aims, wish the best to them in solving their problems and think as one and care about their population and their security.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2005 at 11:21 |
Originally posted by Seko
Are you saying bravo to the immediate post above you or to the one before? The post by MagavanSpirit is more of a accusation then historical discussion. |
just congratzed him to be the foolest member of AE, so bravo again...
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Posted: 30-Sep-2005 at 13:28 |
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