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Topic: Who do turks consider closer Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 17:53 |
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Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 18:05 |
Originally posted by Tangriberdi
Turkish culture in Anatolia can be devided into four influence group
1:Aegean Coastal culture: Developped under serious Greek influence
All Aegean and Mediteranean coastal zone except Mersin and Adana and beyond
2:Istanbulite culture: Developped under Iranian Arabic and Turkic influeces, may be trivial Greek influence.
All of Marmara region
3: Pontic coastal culture: Developped under Greek and Caucasian influence
As We name it it includes only Black Sea coasts
4: Inner Anatolian Culture : Developped from Native Anatolian culture with the influences of Turkic and Iranian cultures.
It includes Eastern Anatolian culture as well. |
I agree. And i m asking:what s the connection between turks and hungarians? what a nationalistic point of view!
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Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 21:56 |
My background goes down to Peru. Peruvians in general dont really assosicate with anyone around them. In fact, most south american countries dont associate with any other country around them . But the fact of the matter is because we cant associate because of the different cultures, they start calling each other names like "monos" monkeys or something like that.
Wow i feel so random right now somebody stop me
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Posted: 27-Mar-2006 at 16:35 |
Originally posted by strategos
We must not also forget Turkey is muslim as I said, giving them more cultural ties to the Middle East, which I believe Turkey is a middle eastern country. And since Greece is a european country, Turks will feel more "realted" towards other Middle eastern countries because of common religion, culture, and historic ties. |
Hi people, this is my first post!
Weren't it the cultivated Ottoman Greeks who brought culture back to Greece
after the fall of Ottoman Empire? I really don't think you can separate Modern Greek culture from
Ottoman Turkish and Eastern Greek culture.
I know Western Europeans like to think of themselves being the legitimate inheritors
of antique Greece (which you can see for instance in the blending of classic
Greek architecture in official buildings, like the Royal Palace of Belgium to
give an example of my country), and that Europe owes a lot of things to classic
Greece. However these are example of Europeans being open to the East and not vice versa.
Classic Greece was turned to the East, not the West!
I know unfortunately the East in general has such a bad image in the West, that
we don't think how Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians etc, has influenced Classic
Greece and the whole of Europe.
Speaking of religion, although Turks of Turkey are Muslims, Turkic people have
many different religions worldwide. And I don't know much about the old
religions of Turks but if I'm not mistaken, they had a belief system much like
the Greek mythology, and they share, or influenced some Greek Gods. But as I
said above, Im not 100% sure.
I was going to add that this would be another tie with the East, but actually,
especially till the 19th century, Greece
was the East! What does it mean then, while talking about cultural ties, to
take position that Greece is an European country and Turkey a Middle
Eastern country? To me, at least, it's a more confusing position to take then a
enlightening or clarifying one.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 00:00 |
Hi Digenis, what do you mean, it looks like you don't really agrea with the part you quoted. Of course, if you think differently I'm interested to hear it but clarify yourself please.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 00:15 |
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 00:54 |
I made a mistake actually. Greece WAS Ottoman so in that regard to say 'Ottoman Greeks' to differentiate Western Greeks from Eastern Greeks makes not much sense. I should have said,'Anatolian Greeks'. At that time there Greece wasn't highly civilisised but Anatolian Greeks who held high places in Ottoman society brought their cultivation back to Greece. This is what I meant.
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Posted: 30-Mar-2006 at 09:43 |
Originally posted by Digenis
And i m asking:what s the connection between turks and hungarians?
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Taking this question serious:
Urheimat of two people's forefathers are said to be very close.
Their languages derive from the same language family, Ural Altaic Languages Family. Beyond this fact, Hungarian Language contains many proto Turkic words. Both people used Runes to write. But of different types. Both language are agglutinative. Both language has vowel harmony . But different types. Both language has the verb 'var- in Turkish and van- in Hungarian. And this verb has no equivalent in IE languages.
Both people had initially nomadic way of life.
Both people were /are good riders and had similar way of clothing. Their national clothings were similar. Historical hats worn by earlier Hungarians are still worn in Central Asia under the name of QALPAQ or BRK.
One of the Byzantine Emperors called a Hungarian King as The King of TURKS
Hungarians and Turks claim to have descendency from the Hunnic people.
It is known that some of the tribal organisations that contributed to the construction of modern Hungarian nation were of Turkic origin. -Some historians say that Turkic tribes that came in different times to Hungarian Melting pot were melt in eralier Hungarians. If they had come at once and all together , Today Hungarian people would have been speaking a Turkic language. That is they would be melt by Turks and they would be Turks.
Old Hungarian Music was pentatonic. So was of Turks.
Both people believed in Shamanism and TANGRI
Both languages have these same child names: Atilla in Turkish and Attila in Hungarian Arpat in Turkish and Arpad in Hungarian. And this leads us to think that we have a common initial ancestry.
Thse I mentioned above and many more that I could not remember make the historians and all who are concerned discuss about a possible affinity between Hungarians and Turkic people.
And somehow, Turks and Hungarians had always attachment to each other along the history. Except the Ottoman invasion period, no serious copnflict or war happened between two people.
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Posted: 01-Apr-2006 at 05:54 |
hey thats ma name
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Posted: 13-Apr-2006 at 17:28 |
Ok the country Azerbaijan was part of Iran until Russia annexed it from Iran. So, Azeris(both from the independent country and in Iran) are racially closer to Iranians.
By the way, arent' turks a mixture of Aryan and Mongolian races? Doesnt that make them part Iranian(Aryan)?
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Posted: 13-Apr-2006 at 18:13 |
Originally posted by Tangriberdi
Originally posted by Digenis
And i m asking:what s the connection between turks and hungarians?
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Taking this question serious:
Urheimat of two people's forefathers are said to be very close.
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Well...i think the question of the thread is about today. I know the connection of pre-1000 Magyars with the other turcic tribes (the details u offered were interesting too) , but i really cannot see how a modern turk (not a nomad turkoman) could feel closer to a hungarian (not a magyar of 900 AD) Speaking about such connections,and creating an imaginary turcic "nation" smells nationalism and of course its far from reality.
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Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 17:26 |
Originally posted by yazzmode621
By the way, arent' turks a mixture of Aryan and Mongolian races? Doesnt that make them part Iranian(Aryan)? |
Yes, but then again.. one could argue that Iranians are partly Turkic.
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Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 10:20 |
So Tangriberdi you are saying that Hungarians and Turks are close? How close?
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Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 12:48 |
We'd better use 'Altaic People' rather than 'Turks' here... Hungarians left Asia long time before the name 'Turk' appeared. Now I know Turkic people are older than their names; but you can't exclusively relate them to Turks since they all lived together thousand years ago.
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Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 21:05 |
Then Hungarians have nothing to do with that because they/we are Uralic and not Altai people. I beleve that the original idea was Iranian or Greek or some other but Tangriberdi mentioned Hungarians. Dont use the name Hungarian so much(hehe), it wears out. Just kidding guys. Szia
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 13:15 |
Uralic family is very close to Altaic, we all know about it. Well, Hungarians were not originally of Indo-European family. And totally, it's proved they are quite close to people like Turks; that's why I mentioned Altaic. Tengriberdi's quite right.
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 19:48 |
Hungarians have as much with Turks as we do with Germans,Slavs or even the Mongols. So the topic: if i was Turkish i would say Iranians are closer to me then Greeks. Dont be saying Hungarians this,Hungarians that-we know you are impresed with us but lett me tell you-Turks,as people, impres me very much. As well as do Greeks or Iranians but none of them were here where i live,but Turks were and for exsample,built roads(kaldrma).So yeah guys-thanks for these roads.
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Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 13:01 |
Kaldrm, not kaldrma.
By the way, That hungarian turks connection is absolutely comic, do we have common langauge? no, do we have common culture ? no, do we have commen religion? no.
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Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 18:42 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Kaldrm, not kaldrma.
By the way, That hungarian turks connection is absolutely comic, do we have common langauge? no, do we have common culture ? no, do we have commen religion? no.
No it is not. Do we? Yes the answer is not .
But we used to.
our languages have common words about 250 except Arabic and Persian and other ones borrowed by Hungarian from Turkish-Ottoman language. This Turkic heritage in Hungarian language dates back to early Hungarians not to ottomans.
Early Hungarians used to believe in Shamanism. So did Turks.
Hungarian Folk music was/is pentatonic just like Turks and Other Altaic people. And early Hungarian cuisine was much similar to Central Asian one.
Both peoples used Runic alphabets of different types.
There is a certain relation.
But no one says Hungarians are Turkic. Being Turkic means being a Turk or being of a Turkish tribe.
Hungarians are most probably not Turks. But they were and are close to Turks.
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