Europe and asia

"There is no mention of middle age in the first thread. It is not to you to reduce the subject to this period."

Well, that's true, but so far that's what everyone's been arguing about, but I guess you can take it to another time period.

"What do you mean, i don't understand?  must be my english "

Sorry for not being clear, but I meant that for a brief period of time the Europeans in the dark ages lost the invention of the horse collar, or some other collar, I forgot which.

"Ok true but horse collar has nothing to do with warfare ,it's an agrarian tool."

Supply lines.

"By the way you mentionned sino-dutch war. can you give me dates and circunstances. Can't see what you're talking about"

This is when the Ming(who's being kicked by the Qine) kicked the Dutch out of Taiwan. Don't really know the date but I'm pretty sure you can find it in google.

Austria and Venice have actually lost many wars against Ottomans in XVII century - the last one even in XVIII century Austro-Ottoman War, 1737-1739 and what about Vietnamese-French war 1945-1954 ?

"Those who say china wasn't european's puppet after the opium wars deny history.

 This was unfair of european's but they did control china even if there was still an emperor"

Opium war did no more than opening up China and leagalize certain trade. It was far from controlled politically, as can be seen by the fact that it faught more wars with Britain, France, Russia respectively afterwards. Japan at this time is no different from China, also signing unequal treatise and building their own arms. The correct date of mercy would be post Boxer's rebellion in which it was divided into sphere of influence, but then Japan also had a share and the area in northern China south of the yellow river north of the Yangze and west of Shang Dong along with Xing jian and Qin Hai was not within the sphere. Not to mention Japan itself had a sphere.

"Well, since I'm so utterly bored, I made a little map over countries that has been in European hands sometime during the last 500 years. You might recognize the format "

Yes, but Japan is also occupied by the United States after world war 2, which is no different to any European power.

"Opium war did no more than opening up China and leagalize certain trade"

This is wrong. Hong Kong was actually ceded to Britain as a result of the Opium War. Hong Kong surely plays a major role in world's economy today and is the most advanced Chinese city out of all the Mainland and Taiwan cities and Singapore if you consider it as one.

"Hong kong is but a poor ragged minor city back then of no economic importance, it was strateigically important to the British. "

Your wording is kinda confusing.

If you are talking now, you are definitely wrong. Hong Kong is the richest Chinese city and one of the most advanced financial centers of great economic importantce.

If you are talking about back then, Hong Kong not only served as a major British colony in the far east but also a cellor for Chinese refugees, capitals, and businessmen when China was in turmoil. 100,000 nationalist troops fled to Hong Kong after China was captured by the communists. The founding father of ROC that overthrew the Qing also treated Hong Kong as a base for his revolution. He also recieved his medical education in Hong Kong. It is true that Hong Kong was not as important as it is today back then but saying that it was a totally unimportant figure to China that could be neglected is definitely wrong.