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sephodwyrm 
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 Topic: Europe and asiaPosted: 28-Nov-2004 at 20:24 |
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But a great read nonetheless...can someone still please provide the direct source? I can't find it on tiexue.
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"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them"
"Not what goes into the mouth that defiles the Man, but what comes out of the mouth" Matthew 7:12, 15:11 |
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warhead
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 20:22 |
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Just some made up battle. |
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coolstorm
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 18:16 |
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According to the article, yes. |
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 17:29 |
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Alexander and the Qin actually fought...?
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coolstorm
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 17:16 |
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You have to use GB code I guess but some lines still don't show. It's basically a description of a battle between Alexander and a Qin army led by a regular Qin general. Qin won the battle fairly easily with its crossbows, superior technology, and war tactics even when it was outnumbered by Alexander's force. |
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warhead
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 17:07 |
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All I see is wierd simples.
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sephodwyrm
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 16:05 |
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Good one, but I still see a lot of bad codes. Can you give me the actual link so I translate it for the forum users of AE?
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"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them"
"Not what goes into the mouth that defiles the Man, but what comes out of the mouth" Matthew 7:12, 15:11 |
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ChineseManchurian
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 15:49 |
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This is the imagin of Alexander Vs Qin dynasty 让我们先来假设个引子： it is in Chinese, and it is not base on nothing. |
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 15:18 |
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I've heard about it from CHF but I havn't actually watched it. I saw the trailers too. It looked pretty cool.
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warhead
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 14:44 |
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"They had "firearms" before that day, but they weren't anything like cannons. The Mongols had gunpowerder weapons, but they werent firearms but explosive shots and rockets that made a lot of noise."
Updates, Until recently, the oldest extant metal handgun was a Yuan dynasty bronze handgun (火铳 huochong) with an inscription dated 1351. It is 43.5cm long (longer than the cannon), including a 14.6cm long stock, with a calibre of 3cm. The range of the gun is estimated to be about 180m. Because of its length, it was often operated on a stand by two men, with one man steadying the stand while the other ignited the fuse leading to the gunpowder chamber.
In fact we have every reason to believe these were already created by the mid 13th century and used. |
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sephodwyrm
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 14:40 |
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Where its known as Hui Hui Pao... |
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"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them"
"Not what goes into the mouth that defiles the Man, but what comes out of the mouth" Matthew 7:12, 15:11 |
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warhead
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 14:39 |
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"We're talking about a monster bow that can knock down an entire brigade of cavarly/infantry under chaos kilometers away. Who wouldn't want that?"
Any military campaign that is fought in the vicinity of the vast steppe which was the principle enemy of all Chinese dynasties. No hand held crossbow could go over 500 yards, thats the maximum for a normal crossbow unit. Those "monstrous" crossbows that fire over 1000 km are merely siege crossbows in which the Song also developed. In fact their are doubts to its existence, but a contemporary Arab source also describe the amazing distance of this weapon when the mongols used these at Baghdad
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coolstorm
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 14:31 |
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Japanese people don't feel ashamed of copying others or learning from others when it's something that's worth copying. I personally think that's a strength of Japanese people we all should learn from. In ancient time, the Japanese copied the Chinese way of administrating the government and organizing cities. In more modern times, they learned from the Europeans and gave birth to their own industrial revolution. Even today, many of them are crazy about the Romance of the Three Kingdom games produced by their own software company KOEI. Tho modern Chinese and Korean do try to learn from other cultures and absorb foreign technologies. However, there's still something inside us that tells us that it isn't right to say some foreign stuff is better than ours. No offense, but I personally think that the Koreas might have got a little farther than Chinese on this. For example, the Chinese will never think that their military is superior to the US in traditional weaponry at least now today. I've once read an article saying that a Korean naval officer told a British interviewer that Korean navy was the strongest in the world and was even stronger than the US. On the other hand, I doubt any Chinese would take a game about another country's history as seriously. Learning from others to me is not a shameful thing but a wise strategy as long as it is something good. Edited by coolstorm |
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sephodwyrm
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 14:16 |
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I think the Korean videogame industry will be pretty powerful. Taiwan's own software entertainment is not bad either, but the standard is not up to the Japanese level. There's many things we gotta learn and improve on. Maybe if Taiwan uses the patriot missile guidance computer as the basis to make a new console we might have something better (I'm inspired by the rumor that the PS2 processor is good enough for a missile). And maybe we could have games that focus on aspects of Korean and Chinese history and culture instead of the 10th incarnation of SGZ or the 5th incarnation of Dynasty warriors...(ugh!). Have you watched Musa Shide (not sure if this is the way to spell it)? I'm just watched the preview about a Korean movie about the Korean movie and I told myself not to watch it because I'm too emotional... |
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"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them"
"Not what goes into the mouth that defiles the Man, but what comes out of the mouth" Matthew 7:12, 15:11 |
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 14:00 |
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That would be a dream come true Seph. Recently Korea had a Cell
Phone expo in China so Korea is sharing communication toys with the
Celestial Kingdom....and I think Korea should start getting serious
about videogames..and stop dabbling in things like Ragnorak...
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sephodwyrm
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Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 12:36 |
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I just read the news that some Japanese official is still pissed off about the new textbooks that it is still a masochistic apologetic piece of crap. Seriously, I don't really care. I now think that the right wing Japanese have the right to forget all about their history. But at the same time they should respect the Chinese and Korean rights to remember theirs. We Chinese and Korean should stop shouting at Japan about her war crimes. The best thing to do is to cooperate more and help Japan by remembering their history for them. I think Korea and China should exchange more toys in the future. Both should come up with something that's more awesome than PS2 or X-Box, destroy the monopoly of electronic game marketting of console games by Japan, invade the Europe and Asian market and unify Eurasia by gaming, and then provide games that promote abstinence for George Bush.. |
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 27-Nov-2004 at 20:47 |
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I think that koreans ended up having some of these too. Like I said, since the two countries were good buds, when one got a new toy the other got to play with it... |
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sephodwyrm
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Posted: 27-Nov-2004 at 20:10 |
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I will like to read the source if possible. I still have serious doubts about this monstrous Korean crossbow, though we Chinese had multi stage rockets, land mines, multiple launch arrow wagons, single action flame throwers, poison gas etc. It would seem that you Koreans are more afraid of us than we are afraid of you. |
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"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them"
"Not what goes into the mouth that defiles the Man, but what comes out of the mouth" Matthew 7:12, 15:11 |
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demon
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Posted: 27-Nov-2004 at 11:12 |
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Okay people. Maybe I made some error of precision. The problem is that the Korean unit of measurement "bo" is extinct and the sources for its precision (metric value) differs. Some sources said 1.8 m, while others say 1.4 m. The Monster bow had the range of 1000 bo. You can guess which source (1.4~1.8) I've used. And that Crossbow picture is a replication of the real one. SO it might have had some size alternations to fit in the museum. It's not like- making it a bit small (but proportional) would hurt. And my god damn source....geez, let me quote it:
So Type in Proof in Ctrl+F. This time it will work.
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Grrr..
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coolstorm
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Posted: 27-Nov-2004 at 02:55 |
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"look coolstorm i think you really need to learn from jaangoon...at least his making an effort in trying to provide a source about the things he's talking about... though you've also provided a source too...but....argh!!!!!" But what? All my information was copied and pasted from my source. I don't understand how I didn't make my effort in providing a source when I pasted most of what I posted from it. If you read my posts from the last page, you should not feel "argh" anymore. Most information about ancient Chinese cannons was information copied and pasted and was not work written by myself. About the Chinese Imperial Navy thing, I read an entire book on it. The book is called "Imperial Chinese Navy". If you visit www.sinodefence.com you can find a link to purchase the book. I already mentioned that in one of my posts. I guess you probably didn't read all of it or if you did, you might not have read it carefully. For the German H&K sniper rifle's range, to me, there's nothing objective or debatable about it. Its range is more like a fact. I am sorry I am pretty confident in saying that I am not very far from being an expert in the field of modern weaponry. "where's the source for that ancient Crossbow. Sorry but an arrow flinger cannot kill stuff 1.8 km away because the accuracy would be so poor it wouldn't be able to hit a castle that far." I asked the same question. Demon gave me an answer as such "What's that thing under brackets?" Edited by coolstorm |
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Sorry, I wrote down Proof and thought that I've written source in its place.|
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