Destruction of historical remenants:Ottoman Ajyad Castle in Mecca

Didn't i say you don't read posts. Next time, read all the lines so you don't sound that dumb. We said you can read the translation of Quran in your language, just don't change the Quran text to be in another language other than what it came in.

Let me explain again using illustrations, in case you fail reading as you always do.

Quran (original Text is Arabic)>>>>>Preserved as it is, per se. No human contribution.

Meaning Translation of Quran (can be any language)>> changes with editions, human contribution, not Quran itself but a suplemental explaination.

Now, if you can use the translation of the meaning of Quran to understand it, why do you need to change the original text? Duh?

Yes, there will be always Quran in Arabic, as there is Bible in Aramaic and Hebrew the original languages. But you have to make the distintion. Once it is touched and translated to another language than its original text, it will not be anymore the Holy Quran, it will be a Translation of Meaning to the Holy Quran. The distinction is so huge and tremendous. By saying Translation of Meaning of the Holy Quran, you acknolwedge that it has human contribution and might has mistakes and it is not the original text, neither it must equal everything in the original text. This will avoid what happened in Christianity where an English Bible is considered as holy and authoratative, and original as the original Aramaic, Hebrew, and later translated Greek texts.

Now, if you believe that Quran itself has human contribution, which is of course the case by non-Muslims who try to discredit the Quran, then it is another story.

What was our original topic? oh yeah, history preservation

Isn't it already translated to all languages?

In fact, most translations of the Quran's meanings come with one page in Arabic (the original source) and one page it is the meanings translation. I don't understand why is it a big deal to ommit the original text and call the translation the Quran? Some bible issuers are now doing the same, so they are taking that approach. But as I said, each person has a nationalistic agenda!

I agree with Cok Gec, besides In Turkey many translator has changed Quran words by translating called Tefsir.

For Instance;

It's funny, this is the first time we are talking and yet you speak as if you know me  I don't read posts? i always fail reading? we havent spoken to each other before so maybe you are confusing me with someone else

How did i "fail reading the quote i even posted"? When i answered you and you are answering me? then obviously i did not "fail reading it"

So go on, be an Arab if you dont want to read Kuran with the kafers' languages. Go speak Arabic, but sory, this is Turkey, with an official language of Turkish, you should do it in some other brother country.

I have no problem with an arabic Kuran always existing, but I want a Turkish one for myself. And thanks Allah/Tanri/God I have one.

Tefsir is also an Arabic word though, I prefer "�eviri". anyway, no thing is wrong with lots of tefsirs. We should translate the Quran. Do we have to learn Arabic language just to learn our religion?

Christians also have their own translations, one calls the "nephilim" as giants, the other says they were fallen from the sky. But if we translate it correctly, we'll see they were angels fallen from the eyes of God.

I dont care, I do my praying in Turkish.

I'd be glad if we had Turkish ezan...

Who cares if you agree with Miller or if he is right or wrong. Everybody has the right to express his opinion politely. Now, I might always have mistakes writing in English, but I understand it. For you, do you really comprehend the language? Look up to how silly you looked, maybe you finally will get what I mean

Next time, read what you quote from others so you know what you are talking about.

Ha? But was that the subject i was talking about? NO, i was talking about how arabs use Islam for their own purposes. Frankly i don't give a damn about complaints on what others want to do with the Quran.

Im talking about a whole other issue. And if you don't care that i agree with Miller then why did you respond to my post where i said that i agreed with Miller in the first place?

And now i'm gonna use your favorite smily----->