Hi, this has been a query of mine for a long time now, i know that ossetians (south of russia around beslan) are an iranic people closely related to alans and sycthians, and that they retain a strong and distinct culture and language. i was wondering has any iranians here ever spoken to ossetian? and if so is there any similarities between ossetian and farsi? can they understand each other or has the division between them for so long changed both their languages ?? and also do ossetians look more persian than russian? maybe someone could post pics of ossetians to help out, im sorry if this has been talked abot before however i have not seen it on the forum and find it an interesting topic

now i know the alans and scythians don't exist anymore i just gave an example of two extinct iranic popultions, i am talking about the ossetians and the traditions and aspects of their culture that is still the same as persians culture.

"Arpad" yes but in a very narrow sense, you also have take into consideration of Georgians,Armenians,Russians,Mongols-Turks,Tatars,Khazars etc etc.. and the influence of these people's on to them, otherwise its just nationalistic mumbo jumbo of claims..

Originally posted by baracuda "Arpad" yes but in a very narrow sense, you also have take into consideration of Georgians,Armenians,Russians,Mongols-Turks,Tatars,Khazars etc etc.. and the influence of these people's on to them, otherwise its just nationalistic mumbo jumbo of claims..

I find your haste in pointing this out rich considering you (I can't remember 100% if it was you or another poster) claimed to be an unaldulterated Seljuk, but anyway  

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What lands do you hold deeds from? I wouldn't think that foreign countries would honor them.

I thought Ossetians were a Caucasus people, closely related to Chechens and Ingush.  And weren't the Scythians a Turk tribe?

however i might be wrong and the place wer i have read such claims too might be wrong...

I dont know about Scynthians fully, but I've heard them being called with arheological proof Turkic, the same goes for them being Persian.. which one to choose is really up to you as the evidences seem to be inconclusive unless they can be proven fully otherwise.. but the political bias is towards the Persians for some very odd reasons..

I've recently read a book on religion writen in the early 1800's it has a chapter in it which made me laugh, its this is a complimation of various written scripture's, books, etc in the 12th century. The author is english, subject is basically of what he compiled on western accounts of the growth and change of religion, and the effects that caused it, to these adds the chapter "The turk, the comet and the devil" , the turkish threat, expanding and with the taking of Istanbul in 1453, commets appearing over the skies..and the fear of the European public for armageddon,in that period, and why many atrocities and barbarism was acredited to the turks and not the people who were conquered...so basically Turk=Devil, well thats all another discussion on scripture and divinity ; but why am I telling this is this, considering that archeology is relatively new, then the bias will always go to the stories that one has heard so far to be good.

(I wanted to post the chapter here, but its too long unfortunately )

So, unless the Scynthians are proven to be otherwise its best to accept them turkic and persian, but not both, whatever you believe, ignore the rest
There are some major works on them in Ukraine and in Russia but no real news.

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Originally posted by Arpad na everywere i have read it says scythians are a persian people but were closely related to turks and proberly intermarried with them as thy too lived on the steppes. Ossetians are also ment to be persian, alans ad sarmatians aswell,, the only ones tht are survive today is the ossetians.

In terms of historical point of view Persians and Iranians are not the same. Do not confuse Iranian with Persian.....

In fact Ossetians do not call themselves as Alan but call Balkar - Karacai Turks of Caucasus as Alan.

 

It is not correct to call them Persian - Iranic is the correct term.