The origion of the T�rks

having a right to call yourself a turk is a right everyone that speaks a turkic language has. every anatolian turk has just as much a right to call themselves a turk as any kazak uygur kyrgyz etc. does. this racial purity stuff is only something ultra nationalistic people subscibe to. there is no such thing as a pure race. everyone is mixed to some extent. some more some less. there are alot of turkified mongols who are kazaks today. nursultan nazerbayev called himself a turk for example. i'm not saying that he is a turkified mongol tho. in his case i just dont know. if in your heart and mind you feel that you are a turk go ahead and call yourself one. that is not a right anyone can deny you. its a linguistic and historical bond. my father worked with alot of central asian turks that didnt live under soviet occupation and non of them was ashamed of calling themselves turks. the urum for example are ethnic greeks. they say they are greeks ethnically but they also say that they are turks in soul. can anyone tell them no you cant be a turk in soul? no! if thats how they feel then thats how it is.

mehmet akif ersoy who wrote the istiklal marsi is of albanian origin. but if he felt like an albanian could he have written the istiklal marsi? no!

He called himself as albanian at his one poet. I think we should differentiate Turkish nation before Ataturk and after Ataturk.

Before Ataturk, at ottomans People who is muslim called as Turks too.(Special at the west anatolia and balkains)

And I cant say �stiklal Mar�� glorify Turkish race, It glorify Turkish(ottoman) nation. I dont think Mehmet Akif feel more Turkish than albanian. After all for him, Race has not any importance but religion. We cant say Mehmet Akif called himself as Turk. Even He is hero of Turkey, I can say he is a hero of Turkish race.

btw. saying "I dont think Mehmet Akif feel more Turkish than albanian" and then "Even He is hero of Turkey, I can say he is a hero of Turkish race." doent make sense and defies all logic. would you please ellaborate.

I write wrong, I mean even he is a hero of Turkey, I cannot say he is a hero of Turkish race. He didnt cared for Turkish race. He cared for Ottomans and Turkey people.

After all he is not a nationalist but a pan-islamist.

First of all there is no such thing as before and after ataturk!

There is, Infact even Ataturk changes his idea of nation after sometime. Why do you think Karaman Christians sent to Greece? Even They were Turk and They helped Independent war, They sent to greece.

At the ottomans Turk=Muslim. This is reason for exiling Turkish Karaman Christians.

I dont think Turkish nationalist have right to claim Mehmet Akif. If you read Istiklal mars� , You cannot find any word like Turks, and you can find a lot words related with Islam.

And I read a poet from him, He was claiming that He is arnavut.So I dont think He is a hero of Turkish race and I dont see why do you think he is interested with Turkish race?

Sure, why do you think his nation means "Turk race" as I said you before Turks =Muslims.

He is a pan-islamist, He dont cared race. Why do you think when he is calling himself as albanian, he supported Turkish cause?

Not because he feels he is Turkish, but because he feels he is muslim and because he feel ottomans were last muslim nation who was free at that time.

If I am a pan-islamist, If I am albanian, why should I feel as a Turk ? this is complately agains to common sense. any idea? He support Turkey, Turkey people (Turks are majority of Turkey people) but he is not a Turk, he is not a Turkish nationalist. I dont think He will support a christian Turkey against a muslim Greece.

holy smokes mortaza i never said i was god and this topic isnt about god either. and i never claimed anyones soul. im not shang tsun from mortal kombat buddy.

and besides what i mean by being turk at soul is explained above. if you cant understand it then there is nothing i can do about that. sorry. it written in plain english and i havent used any complicated wording either. maybe others who read this can enlighten you. i have tried.

he is an ethnic albanian! and what he did he did for the turkish nation not the albanian one. thats about as simple as i can can put it to you.

anyway thats the last im gonna write about mehmet akif ersoy.

heheh yeah actually i am a fan shang tsun that game was awesome.

well to put it to you like this i knew a lot laz people when i lived in turkey. they knew they were laz but they also called themselves turks. when some went to the army they said i love turkey i love the nation and will die for it if i have to. and thats the sort of spirit i was talking about when i said turk in soul or ruhen turkum.

of course cultures change that is inevitable. its called cultural exchange. every culture grows that way.  i hope to tanri that the turkish culture keps evolving if it doesnt it will stagnate and die. when the turks arrived in anatolia they adopted alot of non turkic elements into theirs. when it comes to the mehter marsi for example when we speak of the military that isnt turkish in origin it comes from the byzantines. there is alot of greek food in todays turkish cuisine aswell.

do i think we are a different race then ottoman times? no. turks in turkey are the decendants of the ottomans. i mean people called themselves turks then and they still do today.

and if the ottoman empire was build by turks it was a turkish islamic empire. there were other islamic empires too but not all were turkish ones. there were arabic islamic empires too. can we say they werent arabic in nature? i  personally dont think so. but their population included non arabs too.

he did do it for the turkish nation of that time and that is exactly my point.