The origion of the T�rks

karamanlis who were orthodox were exchanged for muslim turks! which was a political move wheather it was right or wrong

I think you need to read the istiklal marsi before you come to conclusions.

First of all there is no such thing as before and after ataturk! the people of anatolia didnt change overnight when we went from empire (ottoman) to modern day republic of turkey. and secondly iskiklal marsi glorifies a races fight against aggression, it doesnt glorify the ottoman nation as you claim.

"I dont think Mehmet Akif feel more Turkish than albanian."

your sentence above seems to me to be absurd. If you had read my sentence "but if he felt like an albanian could he have written the istiklal marsi? no!" carefully you wouldnt have written something like this. the istiklal marsi is not for muslims! not for albanians! but for the entire TURKISH Nation. its as simple as that.

btw. saying "I dont think Mehmet Akif feel more Turkish than albanian" and then "Even He is hero of Turkey, I can say he is a hero of Turkish race." doent make sense and defies all logic. would you please ellaborate.

if he is a hero of the turkish race and he wrote something that glorifies a turkish struggle how could he have felt more albanian???

oh and to say the turks had no relationships with the arabs persians greeks is insane. ever heard of the devsirme period??? the turks did mix with these people. Slavs were also among them. they were taken from christian homes at a very early age and were put into turkish homes where they learned the turkish language culture and traditions.  then when they were old enough they were taken to be at service of the ottoman state as kapikulu, janisaries, scribes etc. etc. these people were not ethnically turks, however they called themselves osmanli. which as we all know was a turkish state. and this touches base with what i have written above. if in heart soul and mind you feel you are a turk then you are. states are not formed by genetics. they are formed politically and culturally. these people didnt just disappear. they still contribute to the gene pool of the turkish republic today.

and on a side note.

yildirim beyazit's mother was a greek does this make him a greek sultan? No!

mehmet akif ersoy who wrote the istiklal marsi is of albanian origin. but if he felt like an albanian could he have written the istiklal marsi? no!

other ottoman sultans were also of foreign origin either maternally or paternally. they ruled the ottoman state though. they spoke the language of the empire. they didnt rule as people belonging to these other nationalities.

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Well If they want, They can call themself as Turk too. Noone is against It. Infact I prefer If they call themself as Turk.

No, the word Turk is derived from Turuk, which specifies Turkic peoples. Turkic peoples in Turkestan called themselves Uyghur, Kipchak, Kazakh, etc, but people in Turkey call themself Turk, while many have mingled with other ethnicities. That doesn't change that fact they have Turkish blood, but Turk as in 'citizen of Turkey' is one sided. Turkic peoples in Central Asia have more right to call themselves Turk than Turks in Turkey. It was the Russians that made them call themselves 'Turkic'

well i kinda disagree with that. if you wanna study history you have to look at all the available sources. that includes what the chinese persians greeks and arabs and whoever else wrote. though i agree with one thing. Turks did make history but they never wrote alot of it unfortunately.

its up to the reader to be unbiased and deternine what happened. and you cant look at similarities alone to prove something or dissimilarities alone to disprove something. one must look at the whole and judge it as a whole. if you are selective and or ignorant about the sources you study from then your conclusion will be incomplete and it wont represent the whole truth.

That's a racist, wannabe claim. All races have their own beauties, dont need to have blue eyes to become "superior".

There are ancient graves in Mongolia and Central asia, where people with Mongoloid and Nordic-Europoid features were burried together. And that doesnt mean the origins of the steppe wariors were so, it means an obvious racial stereotype cannot be drawn for all and they've been mixing since the ancient times as a result of continuous immigrations and relations with other races.

Central Asia was Turkic before, the border btw Turks and Iranic people (Sogdians) was mavaraunnahr. East of it was the lands of steppe people, Turks. But if you mean Transoxania and beyond Mavarannahr (western Turkestan) being Turkified, well, it becomes with the Gokturks conquering Sogdiana.

Central Asia is a huge region and it was shared btw Turkic, Iranic, and Mongolic people (in the east) since ancient times. Firstly, Iranic people invaded Turkic lands (Scythians), then Turkic people invaded Iranic lands (Ak Huns). Todays Uzbekistan was the border btw Turkic and Iranic people (not Persians), so today, half of western Turkestan lies on ancient Iranic lands. But it doesnt mean the Mongoloid admixture came there with Turks or Mongols, Sogdians, Schythians all had important Mongoloid influence for sure. Tajiks and Afghans still have some.