The origion of the T�rks

Originally posted by Mortaza which history ? created one? do we know our history? between 1900-2000 ? Sorry but I dont interest much for 2000 years ago, after all most of them are story and tales.

Not everything is based on stories or tales.every nation's history have tales, the catch is to learn and respect  them wheter they are true or not.

Originally posted by Tengrikut Originally posted by Mortaza I think we should stop to origin of Turks but we should think future of Turks. do you think we can conquerer USA? They are p____g us at Iraq.   If u dont know your origin and history u can not thing your future. M. Kemal ATAT�RK  GE�M���N� B�LMEYENLER GELECE��N� D���NEMEZLER!!!

which history ? created one? do we know our history? between 1900-2000 ? Sorry but I dont interest much for 2000 years ago, after all most of them are story and tales.

 

 

 

Originally posted by Mortaza I think we should stop to origin of Turks but we should think future of Turks. do you think we can conquerer USA? They are p____g us at Iraq.

If u dont know your origin and history u can not thing your future. M. Kemal ATAT�RK

 GE�M���N� B�LMEYENLER GELECE��N� D���NEMEZLER!!!

Hak-Khan I could see that your are over passionate about your ethnicity. Yet it does border on making you a zealot.

Since you have your right to your opinion:  "Turks didnt mixed with other nations(when and which turk married with an armenian or greek?, have you ever heard about that?)"

I have a right to mine. Are you telling me you do not know any Turk from a mixed marriage? I know many. I've met Turks married to Germans, Americans, Greeks, South Americans, Orientals, Kurds, Albanians, Bosinans, Arabs and more.

it was with the gok turks that this term was applied to a people and nation. and they rose to power in and around the 5th century. i cant believe u think we are not mixed. thats preposterous. read history man. the gok turks took chinese brides too. and yes actually i know turks who have married greeks. not everyone in turkey and greece is racist you know and wasnt back then either. if a greek converted to islam there was nothing stopping a turk from taking her as a bride. then how come yildirim beyazits mother was greek? man learn your history. are you saying yildirim beyazit wasnt a turk?  as far as i know his father was. genetically he was a half breed. but what he did and fought for was for a turkish state. if you know better about him for instance and have sources let me know and i will gladly look at them. seriously these claims for racial purity are seriously absurd. and my ideas arent bullsh*t either. they happened to be shared by alot of people when it comes to racial purity issues. no such thing. there is a difference between selcuk turks when they came to anatolia and turks today. i am not claiming that we are not turks. we are totally! but ethnically and genetically we arent pure. besides being a turk or belonging to any nation is not about how you look. mankind has been intermingeling for millenia! how can you claim that we and other nations never mixed. this defys logic. if turks never mixed as you claim. well then there wouldnt be any around today.  a ton of people from other nations  and ethnicities became turkified and some turks became assimilated into other peoples and nations ie the bulgars. and what of all the turkified people during the devsirme period? u think they just vanished?  and being a turk doesnt mean you have a genetic bond to the ancient turks but you may have a linguistic and cultural bond. which ever one you have it doesnt matter. if you feel you are a turk then you are. and no can say otherwise. it doesnt mean there is a direct linkage between you and lets say bilge kagan or any turk that lived during his time. the look of people wheather you are mongoloid caucasoid or turanoid or whatever is based on where you actually lived. people evolved to suit their environment. if you can have turks that are mongoloid and caucasoid then obviously we have mixed. why is this so hard for you to accept? im only curious because i really dont understand your stance on things and i would like to. and im not kidding around or wasting my time either Hak-Khan. im trying to have a civil conversation and debate with people on these forums and i have every right to do so.

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Let all keep this as historical as possible. This is not the intellectual discussions forum. Thanks.

he did do it for the turkish nation of that time and that is exactly my point.

I agree with this, but somehow I dont think he will support now Turkish nation, for him Turkish nation was different than Turkish nation of this time.

At that times, Turkish nation include other races too, now It exclude other races.

if in heart soul and mind you feel you are a turk then you are. states are not formed by genetics. they are formed politically and culturally.

Well If you mean this, ottomans are not a Turkish Empire, they were an islamic Empire build by Turks. Their culture is neither Turkish too, It have a big Turkish side, but It also effected from every other nation who live in ottomans.

And For know, Our culture and Ottomans culture is much different after Ataturk revaluation. Do you think, now we are different race from Ottomans?

im not shang tsun from mortal kombat buddy.

I am a fun of him, I wish you is

he is an ethnic albanian! and what he did he did for the turkish nation not the albanian one

He did it for Turkish nation at that times.

Meaning of Turkish nation is changed much, Mehmet Akif will call a Laz (who will call themself as laz) who dont know Turkish as a Turk. Do you call also? This laz is ethnically and culturaly a laz, but for Mehmet Akif It is a Turk.(Or ottoman)

As I said you before, Meaning of Turkish nation changed last 70-80 years

Well, becoming a turk in soul is a little weird. I mean If he called himself Turk and If he felt he is a Turkish, I accept, he was a Turk at soul.

But He call himself as Albanian, and sorry Maybe you can see his soul but I cant see. So I dont think he have a Turkish soul.(I dont know what is meaning of this much) I dont think we are god who can claim souls of other. We should accept him as what he called himself. and He called himself as Arnavut.

muslims are not a race!

Well I agree with this too, but claiming someone who say, I am albanian is a little wrong. As I said he is a hero of Turkey, I can claim is a hero of us(If US means people of Turkey).

But If US means Turkish race, well he is not.

 

 

could you please point out to me where i said he was a turk? i never said that. and besides i dont care which way you look at it mortaza muslims are not a race!

why does he call himself albanian? same reason the urums call themselves ethnic greeks. as i said above they feel they are turks in soul.

so if you say turks = musllims and he means his race by that then i guess he is saying that he is a turk in soul. not ethnically.