Uyghurs in Central Asian Steppe

Even though we use Cyrllic (which was forced to use during soviet time) , we still use language called "Uighur-jin" , and its official of Inner Mongolian region. Its from Uighurs isn`t it? its written from up to down... sorry ma english not good

I think that modern Uighurs and Uzbeks are urban settled population of the Central Asian oasises - result of mix between the local Iranian-language settled population (a conqured one) and the nomadic Turkic conquerors. Uighurs and setted Uzbeks have absolutely the same settled culture as Iranians have (Tajiks, Sogdians), and they used to speak two languages - some local Turkic dialect and Iranian Farsi. In 19th century and beginnigg of the 20th century they were called "Sarts". So the ancient Ujghurs, who were mostly nomads have very little in common with the modern Uighurs. Modern Kazakhs, who traditionally always were nomads, are much closer to the ancient Uighurs.               

Originally posted by Akskl I think that modern Uighurs and Uzbeks are urban settled population of the Central Asian oasises - result of mix between the local Iranian-language settled population (a conqured one) and the nomadic Turkic conquerors. Uighurs and setted Uzbeks have absolutely the same settled culture as Iranians have (Tajiks, Sogdians), and they used to speak two languages - some local Turkic dialect and Iranian Farsi. In 19th century and beginnigg of the 20th century they were called "Sarts". So the ancient Ujghurs, who were mostly nomads have very little in common with the modern Uighurs. Modern Kazakhs, who traditionally always were nomads, are much closer to the ancient Uighurs.

You are wrong my friend. Uyghurs and Uzbeks didn't speak two languages. where did you get that info? Iranian fasi?you must be kiding.

You don't know Uzbek people well. check their tribal composition. You will see a lot of similarities between Qipchaq Uzbeks and Qazaqs.

The ancient Uyghurs and mordern Uyghurs are closely related. Or else how come the whole people are bearing strong Turkic Culture? They only changed their nomadic life style.  Of course, these people have strong ethnic contribution from the settled peoples, who were Indo-european and eastern iranic people, which had strong racial effect.

If you ever try to claim the ancient Uyghurs to be related with Qazaqs, then you should learn the Turkic history and the tribal composition of these people well. Anyway, all Turkic people are  related somehow. That's what makes them Turk.  

 

I a kazakh living among the uyghur people!!!

Originally posted by Akskl I think that modern Uighurs and Uzbeks are urban settled population of the Central Asian oasises - result of mix between the local Iranian-language settled population (a conqured one) and the nomadic Turkic conquerors. Uighurs and setted Uzbeks have absolutely the same settled culture as Iranians have (Tajiks, Sogdians), and they used to speak two languages - some local Turkic dialect and Iranian Farsi. In 19th century and beginnigg of the 20th century they were called "Sarts". So the ancient Ujghurs, who were mostly nomads have very little in common with the modern Uighurs. Modern Kazakhs, who traditionally always were nomads, are much closer to the ancient Uighurs.

interesting indeed just like your avatar

Djingizhan Ne Byl Mongolom ?

I read (on some other history forums) that famous Academician Barthold became very unhappy when he found out that the Eastern Turkestan's various oasises'  settled Turks (Taranchi, Kashgharlyqs, etc) started to call themselves Uighurs (in 1920's). 

Anyway, all Central Asia and Eastern Europe Turkic-speaking peoples are very close and can easily understand each other. This means that they all speek the same language - just various dialects of the same language.  (according to rules of linguistics).

Edited by Akskl

Originally posted by gok_toruk Dear Ak Sakal,     Hi there. Best wishes and respect. Well, the Modern Kazaks are not traditional that much, as you mentioned in your post. Today, the only Central Asians who have preserved their old customs well, are Kyrgizes and Turkmens. Kazaks tend to live, rather, in a Russian way of life. Take care buddy...

 

very interesting post!

Modern kazakh in kazkhstan truelly live a russian way of life, but they did't forget who they are, and it seems you forget to mention kazakh live in china, about 1.5 million they speak chinese for living, as far as i know, even modern kazakh remmeber the trible they belong in, and 7 ancetors name to distinguish between even among kazakh themselves, what this supposed to mean. take me for exmple, father told me when i began to know things, he said:" remmeber you are belong in the Naymann tribe of Orta Juzz, if some ask detail, go on tell them that you are Kara Kerey( black kerey)."

and recently i found this explanation of " kazakh" on the net, and want to share with you guys.

The first occurrence of the name "Qazaq" is registered in a Turkish-Arabic dictionary, which was probably compiled in Egypt of the period when it was reigned by the Mamelukes (guardsmen). The word "qazaq" ("kazakh") means "independent", "free", "wanderer", "exile". At first it had neither political nor ethnic content, but designated a free person that broke away from his people and lead a life of an adventurer.

another points is that, surely we kazakh have many connection with Kalmak(mongol), and you can see that from the face character of modern kazakh, and what can we say, does it mean, we are not turkic tribles?

 

 

Edited by hannat

Hello Hannat. Qantay sen? The tradtion about seven ancestors is common almost everywhere in Central Asia. I believe, anyway, a Kyrkiz knows more about his own history than a Kazak.

Edited by gok_toruk - 05-May-2007 at 07:16

Hi. Best wishes and respect. Sag bol men ke jaztiging uchin. 

Kind regards,...

Edited by gok_toruk - 05-May-2007 at 07:06

Hi there Yelken. We missed you so much here. You don't seem as frequently as before. You're bored of us?