Modern Greeks and their Acceptance of Byzantium

Phallax

I may be too old and enducation systen may have been changed since i finish school, but before 8-5 years those thinks wasn't in books, and i didn't make much kopana in school.

I also never criticise anyone from his religion believes BUT those guys i have mention before their believes have many commons with your word.  The problem with them isn't their religion, but their nationalism god if you ever hear to them you will think the worst for them.

As for the mars, Every scientist can say that he believe, but is he right in every word he sais, No. To clame that in ascient time there was a supreme technology is a my out off common logic. If that was true why they continuw to fight with such a primative way (swords axes etc), don't comfuse the muth with the reality, and from my studies in university (i am a pharmacologist) i can asume you that the health system in Byzantium was much better than in ascient greece, or anywhere in ascient world. The knowlegde of the past haven't actually get lost as many clame.

Also why you pass so easily the massacre of the christians by the Ethnics ? A life of a christians has lesser value? Look in all civil wars (even ours in 1945) The winner always threat the defeated in the same way, oh and yes i recognize that christians have many reasons to revenge the Ethnikoi, also notice that in those Christians there was Many many greeks.

You mention thessaloniki. If i am right there was a riot and believe me in a riot you never ask for religion (you don't have the time) so i believe that there wasn't massacred 7000 Ethnikoi, but 7000 peoples (from any religion). Else with that logic in Constantinuple where killed 30000 Enthikoi.............

You also ask me to read Gibbon, but the morden scientist don't accept him anymore, and his work was just just a big false (maybe you should find some more origins about that time  .

I don't say that christianity hasn't  a dark side, but what religion haven't one? I don't say that mistakes haven't been done, but really you believe that the ascient world haven't collapse from his own mistakes? You say that you don't like that period because of her religion, then in my opinion you shouldn't like any period. I never critice a period from the religion nore i will do it know.

Sorry for bad english but i really have years to write and speak them .

Phallanx

My only knowlenge for our books in scholld comes from the books i have when i was in gymnasio, i am not remember to have Byzantine history in lykeio.  I am not informed for possible changes what happened to book since then.

Second about the Neo-ethniki topic, i don't want to go any further in that, coz i almost oppose any religion. I also hate fanatisc (include christians, muslin,etc). I was only refering to them because some of the thinks you write where strongly common with their believes (that's why i apologise to you if you haven't any common with them). It's obviusly that i don't agree with em at all .

For the aschivement, i just try to show you that that era of time had her own aschievements too, nothing else.

Hmm the only think that we may disagree is that you believe that ethnikoi didn't do anythink against the christian. Here i totaly disagree. Greeks was in both camps. The was many christian greeks and there was many Ethnikoi greeks (is a religion differens). Many greeks also served in romans armies. When the roman emperors started to hunt christians for their believes haven't many greeks died in coloseum, have many greeks excecuted from others greeks that served in roman armies?

 As for the modern Historians list i have only read Norwich and runsiman (if i write him right).

I will not prented that the Greeks and Britons are similar nations and share common traditions in everyday life, like Greeks share with the Turks for instance. - Theodoros Pangalos Greek Foreign Minister.

 Nice map and nice quote, sadly doesnt improve Turkeys claim to inheritance of the empire's heritage one bit more.

 Greece and Turkey may have similarities, but Byzantium as Greek and as Christian must be more greatly linked with Greece than Turkey, since Greece exists it must be considered the holder of Byzantiums legacy and continuation.

 As many similarities there may be between Byzantium and Turkey there are many major differences that must mean Turkey cant be a true successor.

I am proud of Byzantine Empire, Mehmed II. was proud of the Byzantine Empire as well.

   Turkish Classical music is our culture. believe it or not. 

We are the sons of anatolians... So We are the sons of the architect of Hagia Sophia. We are the sons of the architect of Suleymaniye mosque.

All of those foods are byzantine origin.

Until the Rums were provoked by the British and Russian, they lived in villages where mosques and churches were build together, where they lived in peace.

Slaughtering? I guess you missed the Treaty of Lausanne, where Greeks have accepted the responsibility of all the crimes they comitted, and apoligized. You also missed the organization of Mavri Mira, the one supported by the most loyal, Fener Rum Patriarch. Mavri Mira was terrorizing Trabzon and around terratorries, in the name of a Pontus state. Most active period is about 1919-1920, when Mustafa Kemal arrived Samsun and Sivas.

Droteos, the Patriarch vekil was the one who found this organization. Merzifon American College was their base. They were ducated as "christcrusaders" against Islamic faith there. There were reports found there, apoligizing from Jesus for the Muslim childs they'd sacrifice.

So not that innocent guys at all...

Com'on, I agree with you that it was GIVEN to Greeks by Britain according to Sevres, but it was later TOOK by the Anatolian resistance forces, Kuvay-i Milliye under the rule of Mustafa Kemal. There were Turkish rebellion gangs everywhere in Izmir before a Turkish army was formed from all over Anatolian militias, we call them resistance forces. Most of them who were captured by Greek army were executed, the rest, joined Kuvayi Milliye.