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    Posted: 06-Sep-2004 at 23:07
I really wanna know the relation between China empire and Turkic world ?Can someone give me some information about it?
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 15:37
Which period exactly?
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 22:22
lots of war, population migrations and AN LUSHAN!!!!!!!!!
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  Quote perdon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Sep-2004 at 01:59
From 9th century to 18th  century !I will aprriciate it !
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Sep-2004 at 10:43

Uhm, sorry I'm not very knowledged on that period.

AFAIK China during the Song Dynasty wasn't involved much into the affairs in Central Asia. However, the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) made expansionist campaigns into Central Asia and conquered large amounts of lands incluiding the Tarim Basin, parts of Tianshan, Dzungaria and Mongolia.

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By the 9th century the eastern Turkic people should have been assimilated into Han Chinese and other nomadic peoples.

The western Turkic people, after Tang retreat, still played a role in Central Asia but with little impact on China.

There had been Uighur rebellions during Qing. Besides those, there seems to nothing worth a mention. Most Chinese-Turkic interactions took place during Sui/Tang which were about the 6th to 8th centuries.

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 05:10
You know there are dozens of Turkic peoples, the Western and Eastern Turkic people are only the Tujue, there are other Turkics too.
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  Quote Zhuang Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 07:15
Yes but aren't we talking about Turkic relations with China. I really know little except Tujue.
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  Quote Zhuang Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 07:19
BTW, did Tujue and Turkic mean the same people?
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 10:31

Uhm, not at all. "Tujue" was the Chinese transcription of Turkic "Trk", the name used of one of the many Turkic peoples during 6th-9th centuries. The Arabs, Iranians and Byzantines used this name, Turk, for the Trk's (aka Gk Trk, Tujue, Tr'wk) relative peoples, such as the Oghuz, Pechenegs, Kumans, Qarluqs, Uyghurs, Kyrgyz and many many more.

For example, the Turks of Turkey (you call us "Tuerqiren" and our country "Tuerqi") are from the Oghuz people.

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  Quote Zhuang Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 11:32
I am very interested at the connections among Huns(Xiongnu), Turks(Tujue) and Mongols. I'll start a new topic on that. Thank you ihsan!
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 11:50
You are welcome  Btw, you can also join The Steppes History Forum
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  Quote Akskl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2004 at 22:27
I would recommend couple of books -
Rene Grousset "The Empire of the Steppes - a History of Central Asia", and
Thomas J. Barfield "The Perilous Frontier  - Nomadic Empires and China,  221 BC to AD 1757"
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  Quote Akskl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2004 at 22:36
And two more:

E.H.Parker "A Thousand Years of the Tartars" 1895, reprinted in 1996

"The Cambridge History of China" edited by Herbert Franke and Denis Twitchett, 1994
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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 01:48
        welcome Akskl...
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  Quote General_Zhaoyun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2004 at 23:41
You can refer to two threads at China History Forum that talk about this.

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=61

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=118





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