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    Posted: 27-Oct-2006 at 18:01
i think this is interesting:


Common Greek Turkish song and tunes


1. Agir Aydin Zeybek Havasi - Gas Gadinis (instrumental)
This is a beautiful prewar from the 78s Lps Identical to no 13
2. Aman Aman Nalbandim (turkish)
This is the Turkish Version of the Menemen Zeybegi No 20
3. Aptaliko - Giorgos Mitsakis
I already posted this before Abdal Zeybegi with bouzouki
4. Aptalikos (abdal zeybek) - Traditional Group from Lesbos
Another version of no4 played with santouri, violin, guitar of the Group of Nikos Kailatzis
5. Aydiniko - Dilek Kots-Karsi - Aidiniko (instrumental)
Dilek Kots a Turkish woman with the Greek group Karsi play this beautiful zeybek
6. Aydiniko Zeybek - Dimitrios Semsis
This is the original version of no5, prewar version excellent
7. Ayse Karsilama - Traditional Group from Lesbos
Ayse karsilama
8. Ayvalik Zeybek (Harmadali) -Giannis Kiriakatis
Rare prewar excellent version of Harmadali played by clarinet and santour
9. Ayvaliotiko Zeybek - Haris Lemonopoulos
Also another very nice version of the Ayvalik Zeybegi said to be Haris Lemonopoulos on the bouzouki
10. Barbouni Karsilama - Traditional Group from Lesbos
The simular tune of Eminem
11. Bolgour Sirtos - Nikos Kalaitzis
This tune starts with the amigdalo (almond) and end with the Turkish Bolgour
12. Dance of the horses - Traditional Group from Lesbos
Its is said to be a Turkish marching tune in 5/4 rhythm also called At Havasi
13. Harmadalis Zeybegi - Nikos Kalaitzis
The Harmadali version of Lesvos island
14. I learned you play dices Zeybegi Antonis Dalgas (Greek Version)
Prewar greek sang version of no 1
http://rapidshare.de/files/20907951/..._vol1.rar.html

[if you have any turkish versions of these songs please post them in the forum]

15. Jadarmas Zeybegi - Nikos Kalaitzis
The Zeybegi Jadarmas of Lesvos island
16. Kanarini - Roza Eskenazi
Also know in Turkey prewar version
17. Karsilamas of Mesotopos - Traditional Group from Lesbos
18. Komita Karsilama - Nikos Kalaitzis
Another Turkish Karsilama from Asia Minor
19. Memet Kakourgos
memet played by the santouri player Kakourgos Lesvos Island
20. Menemen Zeybegi (Greek version)
Prewar version
21. Oyun Havalari - Mustafa Kandirali Zeybek
Turkish version of what we play as Bergama Zeybegi
22. Pigi (Karsilama) - Traditional Group from Lesbos
Karsilama Pigi
23. Eminem - Roza Eskenazi
Excellent prewar sang by the Greek Roza
24. Sala Sala Sirtos- Antonis Dalgas
Another Turkish tune. Here another prewar version
This is played even today in Greece, very popular
25. Tsakitzis - Ahilleas Poulos
A excellent prewar version of Tsakitzi sang by Ahilleas Poulos in Turkish
26. Tsakitzis - Gas Gadinis (instrumental)
Also excellent prewar version

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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2006 at 17:40
Thank you DayI; especially the last ones reflects the common culture very wellSmile
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2006 at 17:53
George Dalaras - Mes tou vosporou ta stena

On the Bosphorous

Bogazicinde Yanni ve Mehmet
Oturur yanyana aksamlari
Aglar Yanni
Ve Mehmet icerek soyler sarkisini:

Ben Turkum sen Rum
Ben de halkim sen de halksin
Senin inancin Isa benimki Allah
Ama ikimize de dusen ah ve vah

Biraz sevgi ve biraz sarapla
Sende sarhos olursun,bende
Al ic tasimdan
Adelfi ve kardesim

Ben Turkum sen Rum
Ben de halkim sen de halksin
Senin inancin Isa benimki Allah
Ama ikimize de dusen ah ve vah

Μες του Βοσπόρου

Μες του Βοσπόρου τα στενά
ο Γιάννης κλαίει τα δειλινά
και ο μεμέτης πλάι του
πίνει και τραγουδάει του

Τούρκος εγώ κι εσύ Ρωμιός
κι εγώ λαός κι εσύ λαός
εσύ Χριστό κι εγώ Αλλάχ
όμως κι οι δυο μας αχ και βαχ

Με λίγη αγάπη και κρασί
μεθάω κι εγώ μεθάς κι εσύ
πιες λίγο από το τάσι μου
αδέρφι και καρντάσι μου

Τούρκος εγώ κι εσύ Ρωμιός
κι εγώ λαός κι εσύ λαός
εσύ Χριστό κι εγώ Αλλάχ
όμως κι οι δυο μας αχ και βαχ

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sorry mods, sorry kotumeyil i had to post it because i've liked it and think you'll like it also.
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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2006 at 18:14
Fikret Kızılok was also singing this song in Greek...
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 13:24
Originally posted by kotumeyil

Fikret Kızılok was also singing this song in Greek...


well here's the link of that music song by Fikret Kizilok and Bulent ortacgil
http://rapidshare.com/files/1269850/Katerina.mp3.html
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 11:25
Im here again for sharing Turkish - Greek rembetiko music!

SİRTAKİ - GREEK FOLK MUSİC



DİNLEYİN EZGİLER SİZE Hİ YABANCI GELMEYECEK


01 - Syrtaki
02 - Hasapikos
03 - Aptaliko Zeibebiko
04 - Hasaposervikos
05 - Karsilamas
06 - Sirto Rodou
07 - Pentozali
08 - Zorba's (Syrtaki) Dance
09 - Hasapikos Dance
10 - Zeybebiko And Tsifteteli Dance
11 - Servicos Dance
12 - Syrtos Dance


D O W N L O A D

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  Quote Neoptolemos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 21:07
Thanks for sharing DayI Thumbs Up

George Dalaras - Mes tou vosporou ta stena
On the Bosphorous
Can you repost the link? It doesn't seem to work for me.

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  Quote Batu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 12:07
i am a pro a Turkish folk dance.folk dances in the black sea region is the same as Pontus Greek dance.(music of the dance is also the same)
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  Quote Patrinos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Nov-2006 at 09:50
Kardesim kai Sunellines you have a good time here,e?

My little contribution with some Rebetika

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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2006 at 15:02
hey guys lissin to this Pontos Greek music especially people from Turkey should lissin to the voice alone, they will say from wich region it comes LOL

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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Nov-2006 at 05:51
Originally posted by DayI



SİRTAKİ - GREEK FOLK MUSİC







LOL  Oh mine ,what a picture!
Dancing syrtaki and Parthenon's columns-ancient glory! LOL

Anyway ,real culture and people 's music are really interesting both in Greece and Turkey.
Mix and influence gave birth to excellent authentic expression through music.
Keep on the good work guys!Smile




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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2006 at 13:08
I found an interesting article by Nikos Politis on how the zeybek dance turned into zeibekiko in the 20th Century:
 

NIKOS POLITIS

 

 

The Zeibekiko dance: a unique example of a Greek folk dance of the 20th century, originating from Turkish Zeybek dance patterns

 

by Nikos Politis [Athens]

 

I think there is no person in Turkey that would not have heard of the Zeybek Dances. There is certainly also no person in Greece that would not have heard of the Zeibekiko Dance. In this presentation I will try to point out the relation between the two dances and the peculiarities of the Greek version. For reasons of better understanding, I will be using the term Zeybek dance (or dances) for the Turkish original and the term Zeibekiko for the Greek dance that has been associated with the rebetiko songs genre.

 

As we know, the Turkish Zeybek dance is a family of dances rather than a single dance. It is said to be at home with the Zeybek tribes that are native (or probably immigrated there) of the western part of Turkey, especially in the mountain regions of the Aydin area, but it had spread out and became popular among the populations of the broader area, down to Izmir and beyond. Today of course, one can find the dance practically everywhere in Turkey as one of the most well known and popular national dances of the country.

 

I shall not enter into details but just for the purpose of our orientation I shall highlight some aspects. The characteristic original rhythmic pattern of the dance belongs to the nine beats to the bar rhythms, that can be divided 2 2 2 3 , 2 2 3 2 , 2 3 2 2 , 3 2 2 2 or in a more complicated pattern of 8 8 2. The dance can be performed by one dancer (solo) or one or more pairs of dancers, dancing in a circle. In Turkey 8 beats to the bar metres can sporadically also be found. For the purposes of this paper only the traditional Zeybek dances are examined, not the more or less choreographed versions that may be performed today by folk dance ensembles, involving a large number of men and in some cases women dancing together.

 

Contrary to the Turkish approach, the Greek Zeibekiko dance is not considered a folk dance, although it is probably more wide spread than many local folk dances of Greece. The reason is that we only consider folk dances belonging to the folkloric circle, dances that have been traditional in the country for hundreds of years or more. The Zeibekiko was born in the twentieth century and, what is more, it is an urban dance, not originally known in the rural regions where the genuine folk dances are expected to be at home.

 

Looking back into the Greek folklore we will find that the Zeybek dances were (and are) totally unknown in mainland Greece as well as in the majority of the islands. Only exceptions are few islands very close to the Turkish coastline, from Thassos in the north to Rhodes in the south, going of course further down to Cyprus but also up north to Thrace. The explanation is obvious: before the military and political events of the beginning of the 20th century, that dramatically changed the ethnic map of the area as well as the relations of our two countries, contacts between islands and the neighbouring Turkish coast were very common and cultural influences natural. But the Zeibekiko dance of today is very popular all over Greece, from Corfu to the Dodecanese. How can this be explained?

 

As already indicated the Zeibekiko dance, together with Hassapiko, the other well known dance of todays Greece, is typical of the Rebetiko era, that has indelibly stamped our musical history from the moment it started, beginning of the 1930s, until the late 1950s where its creative period stops, with the dances living on until today. A very brief introduction into this important musical evolution is necessary at this point.

 

Before the military and political happenings already mentioned, a big city of the eastern Aegean Sea had developed and maintained a remarkably flourishing musical life. Izmir of course, where the Greek speaking orthodox community had managed to create an interesting mix of oriental and western cultural elements that made up what is known today as The Smyrna school music. After the war events, millions of people populating not only Izmir but the broader coastal region of Asia Minor were forced to immigrate into Greece, including of course the full potential of the Izmir based musicians, the ones that survived, that is. So the Smyrna School continued its activity in Athens now, with a success rate never encountered before. This music certainly had an oriental flavour, mixed with some western elements as already mentioned. It is perhaps helpful to listen to an example typical of this era.

 

The typical orchestra of the time featured instruments like violin, kanun or santour, oud, lute etc. At the beginning of the 1930s the vast majority of the production of the Greek record industry was created by precisely these musicians and interpreters; everything else followed at a distance.

 

These Smyrna School songs included rhythms and dances typical in Smyrna and in the classical oriental music of Istanbul, Tsiftetelli, Karsilama, zeybek rhythms in different versions etc. But the relatively small time bracket of less than two decades when this music flourished, is not enough to explain the popularity of Zeibekiko as encountered today.

 

It is about then, when a small group of non-Smyrna originating young musicians formed a band and started performing in public and recording musical records. The leader was the legendary Markos Vamvakaris from the island of Syros, central Aegean, and three more musicians, all from the broader Aegean region. They all were based in Piraeus, the port of Athens, and all played string instruments with plectrum: Markos on the bouzouki, an instrument long established in mainland Greece, accompanied by baglamas, the smaller brother of bouzouki, and by a guitar.

 

Markos, who also composed the songs, had managed to merge two styles: the Asia minor influence which he knew very well, living very close to the newly created low level neighbourhoods for the tens of thousands of refugees in the Piraeus outskirts and the bouzouki style created by him and the group. Very soon they became the stars of the record industry and the old Smyrna style rapidly gave place to the songs we know today as rebetiko.

 

And now we come to the point of interest for our paper: from all the rhythms and dances typical of the Smyrna school (cifte telli, kassapiko, carsilama, abtal zeybek etc.) Markos concentrated on two dances: Hassapiko and Zeibekiko. The latter however was his favourite. How come?

 

In his autobiography Markos remembers:

 

During Carnival on Syros, we had the Zeybek happenings. Turkish dances from Polis (Istanbul), Asia Minor, Thrace. Zeibekiko, Hassapiko, Serviko, Arapiko. Up to fourty people gathered together to prepare. Two months before, the dancing school would open and those not already familiar learned how to dance. They would also make suitable expensive costumes, pure silk shirts and heavy tissues. They would all pay twenty, thirty drachmas for the preparations: dance lessons, costume and the Laterna that would play for us to dance. Then, on Carnival days, we would go out performing. With heavy overcoats, heavy leather belts carrying all kinds of swords, knifes etc. that would be used when dancing. Nice things, I can tell you. And I had become an expert in Zeibekiko, which we were dancing as solo performance. We then danced two or three together on the Hassapiko, more on Serviko and our two Araps on Tsifteteli. But most of all I liked the Zeibekiko, even as a very joung boy I would dance it. Falling on the knees, the swords cross over on the ground, swivelling around, I would dance.

 

It is clear that here we have a typical Carnival performance, a happening also

confirmed by an independent, purely scientific publication of the beginning of the century, where the Zeybek Carnival activities of Syros are described in exactly the manner Markos narrates of. We do not know exactly how and when the Zeybek and Hassapiko happenings arrived on Syros but we know that in the 19th Century the come and go from the Aegean islands to Smyrna was very frequent. However, the fact that all this happened during Carnival festivities is very important. It confirms that these dances (Hassapiko, Zeibekiko etc.) were not familiar within the Syros community but represented the strange and exotic element necessary for the Carnival performances, where one tries to imitate something he is not, something extraordinary and not an everyday activity. We also note that they were dancing to tunes from the Laterna, a sort of automatic piano, imported from Istanbul, since apparently the local musicians, who would otherwise be only too happy to play for people to dance, were not familiar with the tunes necessary for the performance.

 

By the time, several years later, that Markos encounters the newcomers from Asia Minor with their music and dances, he recognises the patterns of Zeibekiko and Hassapiko and realises that, not only does he like them but he is still a good dancer, too. So it appears as the most natural thing for him to take advantage of this and present a large repertoire of Zeibekiko pieces to the public.

 

We must stress here that Markos literally led the way, he established the new song genre and not without reason he has been named the Patriarch of Rebetiko. All the big names of Rebetiko that followed, have hang on him to develop the genre further. So his favourite dance, the Zeibekiko, has become (together with Hassapiko) the dominant rhythms of the rebetiko.

 

In the beginning, Markos has predominantly used the form which he himself calls the abtaliko Zeibekiko, that is the 2 2 2 3 pattern in all its variants. He also uses the 18 / 16 pattern sporadically, but in a rather quick tempo.

 

SOUND SAMPLE:

 

 

A small sample from an early Markos recording of a Zeibekiko in 2 2 2 3 pattern (Alaniaris, by Markos Vamvakaris, recorded 1934).

 

SOUND SAMPLE:

 

 

And a further one in 8 8 2 (or 18 / 16) pattern (Karadouzeni, by Markos Vamvakaris, recorded 1932).

 

The audience, in the beginning mainly Asia Minor refugees, recognise these patterns and dance their favourite steps, be it the Karsilama pattern or the classical zeybek patterns that they knew from their homelands in the western Turkish coast. Gradually, local Greeks from the mainland, not aware of the specific step patterns, try to imitate and a new dance is born: the Zeibekiko. A dance performed solo, by one dancer at a time, usually the one who has ordered the piece and will pay the musicians, a dance which is at home not in the central market place of the village but in the taverns of the city. The dancer will not bother if he knows little about the steps: he improvises, and new dance patterns start to form. The older 2 2 2 3 pattern gradually gives way to the 8 8 2 pattern, which becomes more and more popular. The dance tempo decreases with time, so that in the postwar era we have very slow and heavy Zeibekiko pieces, typical of the final form of rebetiko songs. We now have the urban Zeibekiko of the cities, starting of course with Piraeus and Athens, and it also has a name: Peiraiotikos Zeibekikos.

 

SOUND SAMPLE:

 

 

An example from the year of 1951 (Oso varia ein ta sidhera, by Georgos Mitsakis, recorded 1951).

 

All this started in the early 1930s, as already indicated. It continued in taverns and cafes in the 40s and 50s. Then, as already mentioned, the Rebetiko style gradually starts changing, as society changes too, and the experts place the end of the rebetiko era around the end of the 50s. But Zeibekiko goes on, with songs continuing being written even today. Of course, critics would say that todays Zeibekiko is different than what it was perhaps fifty years before, but the important thing is that it is still there.

 

Thus, an originally ritual traditional dance from the mountains, belonging to the Zeybek family of dances, native in western Turkey and associated with war making techniques, gives birth to Zeibekiko, a Greek urban folk dance developed and cultivated in the big cities of Greece in the 20th century, centred around the personal expression of the dancer rather than the society, in a totally free choreographic environment. A dance born, developed and standardised in a time span probably less than half a century, but still much loved and performed in Greece and abroad, wherever Greeks get together, nowadays emancipated from the rebetiko song genre to stand on its own feet. And, most important: an evolution that has been left to develop entirely on its own, without any scholar or commercial intervention. A social and choreographical example of which I do not know a similar case anywhere in the world.


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That was a very interesting article Kotumeyil, really answers a lot of questions! I haven't been on here for a while and it's great to see this topic is still going. I'm actually from Australia but my mother is Greek background I would love to go to both Greece and Turkey to really live and feel this music and see it being performed.
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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jan-2007 at 10:22
Two zeybek dances by a talented young man:
 
Kostak Zeybegi:
 
 
İnce Hava Zeybegi:
 
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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jan-2007 at 16:42
Upon request, harmandali zeybek on youtube:
 
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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jan-2007 at 16:12
Jeniffer Lopez dances harmandali zeybegiTongue:
 
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 06:43
Softer - modern, but ill add it here and bump the thread

Sfakianakis (one of my prefered singers)

O-aetos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--4EbQ_f1QE

GenethliaThumbs%20Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z5XSh6St9A



and more pasxalis terzis

(love this song for months id play it very loud and sing while driving)Cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXyJDtLmmRg&mode=related&search=

Parastratima

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkAEfdYodc

joint singing effort for me and fiance (she loves this next song)

Den Thelo Tetoious Filous (live sound is poor)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyjjxsJar1c&mode=related&search=

maybe not zeibekiko but definety what i consider 'Greek blues' anyway check out the crying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yIVfBHRZQ4


edit: my dad is shedding a tear or two right now, because i showed him.Cry

Terzi is the best




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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 10:27
Thank you Leonidas for these beautiful songs. This is a really sad song in Turkish sung by Stelios Kazantzidis - Makber (from the poem of great Turkish poet, Abdulhak Hamit Tarhan): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX77-O09JC0&mode=related&search=
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 05:49
thanks kotumeyil, different language familiar sound.

is the lyrics posted in the comments complete?


Darkness prevails everywhere
Yet that place shining
Oh God! Is it the west or the grave
(shall I go to the west or stay where the grave is )

Her grave has become a tomb made from flowers
Open your arms, I am your beloved.


may i add, thats the first youtube addition that is friendly between Greeks and Turks. normally that website is the front-line battle ground!


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Stelios Kazantzidis rocks! Thumbs%20Up 
 
I liked this song as well:
 
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