Kurdicization of Anatolia

Originally posted by Zagros  It's funny how you are demonizing the existence of Kurds in Anatolia.

No I am not. I am just recognizing their existence. but I have to reveal that Kurds(as residents not nomads, there were of course Kurds in Anatolia before Turks but they are not resided there , they used there as a nomadic plato  introduced to Anatolia as residents and dwellers after Turks or along side Turks.

Originally posted by Cent "So if these people they want to call themselves 'kurds', then let them" You speak of us like we were made up... We are indo-europeans from Zagros mountains.

only by language, other aspects of culture makes you seem to be a mix of Pers-Arabo Turkic elements. Also there have been so many other tribes and people melt into Kurdish pot, which in number they were more than ethnic Kurds. Today they are many people who consider themselves as Kurds just because of their linguistic heritage, ignoring Arab, Armenian and Turkish origins. So yes we can say that you are made up just like Anatolian Turks recreated by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

 

Originally posted by Zagros What I don't understand is how can a population without any legal representation that promotes repopulation of certain areas go unopposed in a country like Turkey.  Who organises it? Don't tell me PKK, becuase if it was, the Turkish authorities would not hesitate in stopping these "resettlements".

Impossible, the Eastern Anatolia is an underdevelopped  region of Turkey, so people there must go somewhere elses instead of starving there. Also as Kurds equal citizens under the title Turks, they have right to go and settle anywhere in Turkey according to our laws. And there is no problem between ethnic Turks and ethnic Kurds in Turkey. They share the same faith. Yes this demographic expansion and increase in number are organized by Kurdish nationalists and ,in particular, by PKK. Many Kurdish intellectuals say that Are Kurds as fools as leaving all these fetile soils to Turks and go back to Eastern Anatolia, As Diyarbakir Mus, Siirt, Hakkari belong to us, Istanbul, Izmir, Adana, Bursa, Ankara too , belog to us. We have rights in anatolia as much as Turks.

I think that is a planned organization of capturing Anatolia from Turks.

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Problem is neither history nor Kurds,

problem is massive and fast

Kurdicization of Anatolia in this century

I want your opinions about that!!!

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Baracuda, those are other different aspects of the facts we are facing, I think fast and massive Kurdicization is threating Turkishness of present time Anatolia, I would like to know about your opinions concerning solving such a big evlolution without behaving opposedly to Universal Human Rights and Democracy.

There are some historical facts . One of them is that Kurds have never been settled in Anatolia before Turks. And this fact is being changed under the frame of a fake history supported by some environments. And this change is operational and practical. What shall we do against this.

"There are some historical facts . One of them is that Kurds have never been settled in Anatolia before Turks. And this fact is being changed under the frame of a fake history supported by some environments. And this change is operational and practical. What shall we do against this."

Well get the hell out of Anatolia and give it back to the Armenians and Greeks...

Originally posted by Cent "There are some historical facts . One of them is that Kurds have never been settled in Anatolia before Turks. And this fact is being changed under the frame of a fake history supported by some environments. And this change is operational and practical. What shall we do against this." Well get the hell out of Anatolia and give it back to the Armenians and Greeks...

Anatolia is our homeland. Now there is almost no Greek and Armenian in Anatolia.. Do not be ridiculous . On the territories of Anatolia there is still blood prints of millions of Turks at least 1000 yrs. 

A Kurd saying that give Anatolia greeks and Armenians cannot be resident of Anatolia for thousands of years.

As I said before they came to Anatolia after Turks. And that is why they can takl so easily.

Forget  about it. Anatolia belongs to Turks and will remain so.

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good point, It  is not important who settled before to anatolia, but It is important who live now at  anatolia.

But kurds should accept  their ethnic number and effect is not  decrasing in anatolia but increasing.

Tangriberdi, yes, but the problem is us 'Turks' whatever our roots,ethnicity. In the past,ethnicty, religion had nearly no role in life but with the colapse of the the ottoman empire and the mass re-placement of ex-ottomans of non-christian origins into this region we started a war one which was based on modern and european ideology 'nationalism, patriotism' (milliyetcilik), this was ok then as it fuel'led the turk as a war machine and they made a miracle and beat off leading nations of the time that partitioned 'Turkey', but unfortunetly victory was sweet and what brought it was deared very precious, nationalism.

It even continues now, saying 'Im a turk' isnt enough, I have to say where I am from, then my ethnicity, then my reglion and perhaps my root of origin... have you ever considered to why that was? to some sense discrimination.

So now we've got a mass of people who can be manipulated by outsiders using these factors that are asked above..

Similarly 'Armenians' in the ottoman empire, turned against the ottomans, due to promisses made by european nations and russia. The plans of these nations was to ease war in the taking of Bulgaria as the ottomans had to divide their forces to stop the armenians in anatolia.

Now present day, poeople who called themselves 'kurds' they are being fooled into believing things that they normally wouldnt have, they are being payed, and lure'd into a honey jar..(why? well due various economic reasons) 'you need to be free, free yourselves' 'we will help you, you will be a great state.'.. when fact are more gruesome, no european country, or the americans cant save them if middle east joins up against them.

Well anyway these poeple have mass'es of relatives, and these relatives also begin calling themselves similarly and so your mass kurdifying of anatolia, we aren't europeans most of us have more than hundred, some thousand relatives that we talk with.. (I have well over a couple of thousand)

So in a sense with the stupid notion of 'nationalism' which is pointed not in the right direction but at being 'a turk' we are fueling everything in the wrong direction.. it should be directed into more productive things

Originally posted by baracuda Tangriberdi, yes, but the problem is us 'Turks' whatever our roots,ethnicity. In the past,ethnicty, religion had nearly no role in life but with the colapse of the the ottoman empire and the mass re-placement of ex-ottomans of non-christian origins into this region we started a war one which was based on modern and european ideology 'nationalism, patriotism' (milliyetcilik), this was ok then as it fuel'led the turk as a war machine and they made a miracle and beat off leading nations of the time that partitioned 'Turkey', but unfortunetly victory was sweet and what brought it was deared very precious, nationalism. It even continues now, saying 'Im a turk' isnt enough, I have to say where I am from, then my ethnicity, then my reglion and perhaps my root of origin... have you ever considered to why that was? to some sense discrimination. So now we've got a mass of people who can be manipulated by outsiders using these factors that are asked above.. Similarly 'Armenians' in the ottoman empire, turned against the ottomans, due to promisses made by european nations and russia. The plans of these nations was to ease war in the taking of Bulgaria as the ottomans had to divide their forces to stop the armenians in anatolia. Now present day, poeople who called themselves 'kurds' they are being fooled into believing things that they normally wouldnt have, they are being payed, and lure'd into a honey jar..(why? well due various economic reasons) 'you need to be free, free yourselves' 'we will help you, you will be a great state.'.. when fact are more gruesome, no european country, or the americans cant save them if middle east joins up against them. Well anyway these poeple have mass'es of relatives, and these relatives also begin calling themselves similarly and so your mass kurdifying of anatolia, we aren't europeans most of us have more than hundred, some thousand relatives that we talk with.. (I have well over a couple of thousand) So in a sense with the stupid notion of 'nationalism' which is pointed not in the right direction but at being 'a turk' we are fueling everything in the wrong direction.. it should be directed into more productive things

partiallyagree with you. but it is out of Topic, I guess.