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    Posted: 06-Aug-2005 at 10:45

I just read a little about Iraq in Wikipedia.org, and there it says that Turkomen are 13% of the people... How can that be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

It must be some Turkman who wants to change the statistics a little bit...

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Kerkuk, musul, erbil, suleymaniye are/where the cities where the Turkomans or Turkmens are in majority. Nowadays its all under PKK control.
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13% of Iraqis?  What is the UN figure?
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

You are funny man!

I'm from Suleymaniye, 95% are kurds there, how can you count so wrong?

All those citites are kurdish dominated except Mosul, which is dominated by arabs, but kurds rule there to.

Btw, PKK doesn't own a pair of socks in Northern Iraq. PUK are letting PKK stay there for now.

There are two bigger parties there: PUK and PDK, which ownes the cities. But right now the PDK is more powerful.

They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Zagors: maybe 2-3 % max
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Originally posted by Kenaney

Kerkuk, musul, erbil, suleymaniye are/where the cities where the Turkomans or Turkmens are in majority.

Provide the source for this assertion.

Nowadays its all under PKK control.

PKK? No they are a Turkish organisation.

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Zagros: This dude has no clue at all...
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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I want to know where such information comes from.
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The Turkish goverment?
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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The talk page makes no mention to that (usually problematic affirmations are discused there) but guess you should go and write yourself a comment in that page or even edit the article if you feel sure that your data is better. It is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit! 

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Here's another source, http://www.unpo.org/member.php?arg=27, 13%, I don't know why it's so hard for you people to believe this.
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Sorry, somethings wrong with my link, when it directs you to the home page click on "Nations and People" at the top right corner, then click on Iraqi Turkmen.  There you will see all the information on them.
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Maybe because all relevant outside bodies state otherwise?

CIA:

Ethnic groups: Definition Field Listing
Arab 75%-80%, Kurdish 15%-20%, Turkoman, Assyrian or other 5%

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
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I remember researching them a while back, their actual figure is more closer to what 'Zagros' wrote, its about 6% .... though supposedly at one time they were around 13-14% either got killed off or were kurdemsized, or arabized..
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I think that certainly a fair number will have been Kurdified but more Arabised as there was never been any official Kurdification program but there has been Arabisation, of all non Arabs in Iraq. The Kurdified ones will have become so through just being a minority in a majority Kurdish area, as is usually the case in such situations (Kurds in Turkey, Azaris in Persian parts of Iran). And I know for a fact there is intermarriage between them.

 
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I think that they have also been re-placed from the area to other parts of iraq, and some killed, and labeled along with other ethnicities... by the ex-iraqi government.

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True, but that happened to all minorities in Iraq, especially kurds.
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2005 at 16:32
Kirkuk was a dominant Turkmen city before Kurds became to exile them. Lots of Turkmens have immigrated to Turkey, especially to southeast, Gazi Antep.
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When has kurds exiled turkmens from Kirkuk? If I'm not wrong it was Saddam who exiled both kurds and turkmens...

 

 
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Kirkuk was a dominant Turkmen city before Kurds became to exile them. Lots of Turkmens have immigrated to Turkey, especially to southeast, Gazi Antep.

Source for this information?
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