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Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa

The Poles never got credit for cracking some codes. They did lead the assault at the Fourth Battle of Monte Casino. They just couldn't rebel at Warsaw successfully.

I am well aware of this, perhaps I shall add them to the list for taking monte cassino

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It's sad that Battlefield 1942 replaces the Free Polish Forces with the Free French forces in their Monte Casino map

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Originally posted by BigL

thats exactly what im saying <americans love the history of europe even though there not european.For some reason Americans think they are Roman or Greek.All i ever see on american made programs is how great romans and greeks are.My theory is its american propagandda to prove that greco./roman culture is superior to others and thus justifys taking "democracy" to places like iraq.

I highly doubt this conspiracy, and in fact most Americans are of European descent. So it is only natural that we be interested in our own history(which is shared IMO for the most part due to immigrations over the centuries) Even many of the minorities here in the US have strong ties to European history, the hispanic popultion for example have historical ties to Spain.  Americans as a people did not suddenly sprout up out of North America as a new people with no history, we were in fact British, Spanish and French colonists.

I also have to disagree with the assumption that Greek or Roman culture was superior to anyone in any way besides militarily. Although there is of course much to learn from these civilizations...many of the "barbarians" had civil sytems just as complex, just they were mainly disunified and played against each other by the Romans.

Furthermore American programs on history generally seem to focus on WWII and the Civil War rather then Greek and Roman culture, In fact I wish there was more on the Greeks and Romans and MUCH less on WWII.

ancient china (han and tang dynasties) were actually more technologically advanced and economically prosperous than that of the roman empire. all outside the great wall were uncivilized barbarians.

europe, the middle east, and central asia were all either the dark age, uncivilized, or barbaric while china outpaced the world in the arts and sciences.

some of chinese ancient inventions (gun powder (invented during the han dynasty), compass (invented during the bc time), paper (also invented in bc), copy techniques (also invented bc)

the chinese song dynasty was also the first country in the world equipped with gun powder weapons such as hand held gernade, cannons, and an early version of guns.



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  Quote Mameluke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Feb-2006 at 14:17
Originally posted by Pezhetairoi

Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa

The Poles never got credit for cracking some codes. They did lead the assault at the Fourth Battle of Monte Casino. They just couldn't rebel at Warsaw successfully.

I am well aware of this, perhaps I shall add them to the list for taking monte cassino

The Poles did not really "take" Monte Cassino. The 1st Parachute Division was ordered withdrawn from Monte Cassino on the orders of Field Marshall Kesselring because the Canadians had broken through the Liri Valley.

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Originally posted by Pezhetairoi

Originally posted by BigL

thats exactly what im saying <americans love the history of europe even though there not european.For some reason Americans think they are Roman or Greek.All i ever see on american made programs is how great romans and greeks are.My theory is its american propagandda to prove that greco./roman culture is superior to others and thus justifys taking "democracy" to places like iraq.

I highly doubt this conspiracy, and in fact most Americans are of European descent. So it is only natural that we be interested in our own history(which is shared IMO for the most part due to immigrations over the centuries) Even many of the minorities here in the US have strong ties to European history, the hispanic popultion for example have historical ties to Spain.  Americans as a people did not suddenly sprout up out of North America as a new people with no history, we were in fact British, Spanish and French colonists.

I also have to disagree with the assumption that Greek or Roman culture was superior to anyone in any way besides militarily. Although there is of course much to learn from these civilizations...many of the "barbarians" had civil sytems just as complex, just they were mainly disunified and played against each other by the Romans.

Furthermore American programs on history generally seem to focus on WWII and the Civil War rather then Greek and Roman culture, In fact I wish there was more on the Greeks and Romans and MUCH less on WWII.

ancient china (han and tang dynasties) were actually more technologically advanced and economically prosperous than that of the roman empire. all outside the great wall were uncivilized barbarians.

europe, the middle east, and central asia were all either the dark age, uncivilized, or barbaric while china outpaced the world in the arts and sciences.

some of chinese ancient inventions (gun powder (invented during the han dynasty), compass (invented during the bc time), paper (also invented in bc), copy techniques (also invented bc)

the chinese song dynasty was also the first country in the world equipped with gun powder weapons such as hand held gernade, cannons, and an early version of guns.

This is exactly what im saying although china was more advanced when do you ever hear aobut it in american history lessons or television,all i ever hear is the romans empire the strongest empire ever etc,and when there not talking about ancient days there saying how america 'saved' europe from germany in ww2 ,but the russians had already defeated the german armies and had 'won' 1 year before the americans landed in DDAY

Now the common tactic for american media is too stir patriotic feelings amongst american peoples ,which is just plain propaganda,how would americans teach 'iraqis' there superior greek culture if we werent so propagandaed at how great the west was historically.

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The Poles did not really "take" Monte Cassino. The 1st Parachute Division was ordered withdrawn from Monte Cassino on the orders of Field Marshall Kesselring because the Canadians had broken through the Liri Valley.

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They did lead the assault though.


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They did lead the last assault, if that is what you meant. I am not taking anything away from their bravery, which was second to none. But when talking of this battle, we need to keep everything in perspective. After all, that,s what good history is all about

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Whats the real question of the thread ?
The bravest nation?
If its so..its quiet silly!
I think we can just mention moments in history ,when some people proved that they where really brave...not a whole nation!
Such a moment was in 1941,in "Metaxas line" at the Greek-Bulgarian borders.While the greek army won and captured N.Epirus (South Albania) from the invading Italians of Musolini,
a small number of greek auxiliaries (1000),consisting mainly of older-aged soldiers,
resisted the massive German invasion for 3 days,and didnt surrendered until the cease -fire was decided by the greek governement.
The german commander ordered his men to stand before the greek soldiers to honour their courage.

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I agree, I am just using this thread to talk about brave acts in history, Digenis.

"They did lead the last assault, if that is what you meant. I am not taking anything away from their bravery, which was second to none. But when talking of this battle, we need to keep everything in perspective. After all, that,s what good history is all about "-Mameluke

Okay, I see what you are saying.


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ancient china (han and tang dynasties) were actually more technologically advanced and economically prosperous than that of the roman empire. all outside the great wall were uncivilized barbarians.

UNCIVILIZED BARBARIANS? WTF MAN, WTF?! How is that so?

The Romans had access to goods from around the world, a mail system that was faster than anything before the 20th Century, very well maintained roads, unrivaled security, central heating, police and fire departments, large amounts of public entertainment, and more.

The Roman aqueduct, which stretched 100s and 100s of miles to bring water to there cities and some still to this day continue to bring water, and some still use them. They built the most advanced plumbing in history until the modern age. Roman aqueducts brought over 300 million gallons of water per day to the city of Rome, it also made farm land were it was not even possible! With the aqueduct the Romans did not have to build mayor critics by the water like the Chinese did! this over 300 million gallons of water per day to the city and there pluming could not be matched in till the modern day!

I believe the Romans had the first water filters in history, these water filters were for the aqueducts and perhaps some others things as well. I got this information from some books from the school library a wile back.

The Romans have also invented the fist mouthwash, that actually clean your teeth, and was not harmful to your body or your teeth

The Romans invented the hammer and the nail, which built structures faster and better. Actually their nails design back then was much better than modern nail design today. Their nails were square, and that could fit in the wood perfectly without cracking it, todays nails are around they crack the wood wan you nail it to the wood.

Roman medical science was very advance, they knew so many things are still being practiced today. Especially the trainers in sports (trainers are pretty much like medics).

The Romans had most medical tools that is same exact that medical tools a modern doctor will have. The only difference between the modern tools and the Roman tools is that, the Roman tools were made out of bronze also theirs are much more decorated, and modern tools are not decorated, and made of stainless steel I think. Other than that, if you lighten up the medical tools together, they will look exactly the same (beside the decoration of the Roman tools).

They even had historys first sanitized treatment. They say not one gladiator has died from the treatment of a Roman doctor. Gladiators will be badly wounded, or heart, the very next day or in 3 days or so (depending on the damage, of how long they will stay with the doctor) they will be good as new. In these recent discoveries of these tools and medical science of the Romans, they have discovered that the ancient Romans perform virtually modern-day surgeries! After the Roman Empire fell this modern-day surgeries a.k.a. Roman surgeries, and along with some of the medical science fell with it!.

The first Coliseum (The Roman Coliseum) and still today one of the biggest, as tall as 175 feet or so, it held as many as 75,000 spectators or maybe more, it had the first drinking water fountain, elevators maybe the first in history, had the first cover, called the Velarium and etc.

Roman architecture, heavily influenced in our culture today..

The Roman even had modern legal system like the trial for gory and act.

In small thing about Roman military.

The Romans had the most avenst armor and helmets in ancient time!

The Segmentata Armor was very flexible and gave good strong protection. The Segmentata wastes 17 to 20 lbs. It will provide protection against missiles, speeders, swords and etc. This armor was the strongest armor made at this time, they even had sudsy about this armor. The Romans had other armors as well

The Romans organized the first field medics in there army (this is the first time in history).
The Roman medic were white, had medical supplies, and had standard armor, and helmets. The Roman's medical officer was "medicus" and their equivalent of modern-day enlisted medic were called the "medicus ordinarius". The medicus ordinarious was drawn from the ranks of soldiers, and trained by the Roman army. Our own armed forces traditionally train and employ technicians to care for troops in the field just as the early Romans did. (U.S.A. armed forces) Yes everyone did have some form of medics, but the Romans, took it up in another level. Having the first organized field medics

Roman helmets uniquely designed. This helmet stretches down to the neck providing protection to the neck, also two pieces that protected cheeks, and also the top of the helmet (cannot really described it, just look at the picture) is like something like a cap. Well anyways that part of the helmet I was talking about protects you from heavy weapons, and also from weapons going across your face (at least downward).

As you can see these helmets were very advance.

http://www.lundyisleofavalon.co.uk/history/romans/romanhelm3 b.jpg

The Romans chose the Gladius (The Roman sword) is because they can fight in closer formations. They also can maneuver faster in there formations, they also have no problem fighting in a tighter or closer terrain, and with shorter swords they could also have a bigger shield, and could make better formations.

There is also more reasons they chose the Gladius, it can be wheeled faster than a bigger swords, and its more maneuverable its lighter than any sword at that time (to my knowledge) and it is good for piercing through armor, at least through light or medium armor.

The Roman infantry sword that I mention, it is 22 In. or 24 In. long, the Roman cavalry sword looks exactly the same as a Roman infantry sword but much longer its called the Sparta. Lots of historians say the Roman sword was the best sword ever made. or The best hand weapon until the gunpowder age.

The Romans had the greatest machinery at its time, they invented the Catapult, Onager, ball bearings, improve the Ballista, and more (invented or improve).

And almost forgot to mention one more thing. The Romans invented the worlds first chain gun. it was a Ballista that can shoot multiple projectiles, and the funny thing is the way they reload it is a lot like the American Civil War Gatling gun but with bigger projectiles.

Greek or Roman Ballista unlike a giant crossbow, Ballistas can shoot rocks, medal balls, javelins, and arrows.

The Romans also had histories first Death rays!!

The Roman shields

These Roman shields have been described to me as Tower shields because of the size. Dont be fold that the shield is heavy, just because its size. Roman Shield had reinforced leather padding or armor in the front and in the back to make this shield stronger

It took us 1800 years to rediscover or remake most what the West or world has lost.

Some thinks like medical sciences, tools, most architecture, Coliseum, SELF OPENING DOORS, some machinery and act took 2000 years to rediscover or remake.

Rome was the longest Empire on human History. Like they say The Roman Empire was a virtue of modern civilization.

Ok believe me I can keep going on just with the Romans, if I do then it will be a book not a post. So I will move on with other uncivilized barbarians.

Very Brief now got to go!

Greece

The Greeks had knowledge to gather electricity from lighting and had some form of magnets technology.. They even had historys frist canon witch was a steam canon or steam Gun!

The Greeks had the worlds most brilliant minds, they had greatest philosophers! They invented the Republic, Democracy, check & balance, algebra, they even invented the first-steam engine in history, also invented the first Spencer machine, they also have invented the first automatic doors. and more!

Incas

Correct me if Im wrong, but I think it was the Incas invent the zero! They were perhaps the most advanced with MATH!! They had good architecture as well. The Incas were also one of the Greatest empires in the Americas!

Spine and others Europeans

The Europeans had the most advanced Ships after the 15th century! The Spanish were the first in history to circle the world! They were the first to Conquer Americas! And if not the Vikings the Spanish were the first outsider people to step foot on Americas! The Europeans were mad advancements in anatomy (Da Vinci), astronomy (Galileo) music (Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus, etc) The Europeans had the most avenst armors, weapons, ships, industry, science, and more!

Egypt built the biggest stretcher in ancient times aka the Egypt primaries, first righting system in history, and more!

Others

The Baghdad battery (3000 BC I think) witch is the first battery in history! ..

some of chinese ancient inventions (gun powder (invented during the han dynasty), compass (invented during the bc time), paper (also invented in bc), copy techniques (also invented bc)

the chinese song dynasty was also the first country in the world equipped with gun powder weapons such as hand held gernade, cannons, and an early version of guns.

Europe, the middle east, and central asia were all either the dark age, uncivilized, or barbaric while china outpaced the world in the arts and sciences.

Dude, over all China at that time (like in 1000-1300s) was the most advance, but Europe had the most advance armors, castles, and some other things here and there, the middle east were advanced in other things as well.



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ancient china (han and tang dynasties) were actually more technologically advanced and economically prosperous than that of the roman empire. all outside the great wall were uncivilized barbarians.?/P>

UNCIVILIZED BARBARIANS? WTF MAN, WTF?! How is that so?

The Romans had access to goods from around the world, a mail system that was faster than anything before the 20th Century, very well maintained roads, unrivaled security, central heating, police and fire departments, large amounts of public entertainment, and more.?

The Roman aqueduct, which stretched 100s and 100s of miles to bring water to there cities and some still to this day continue to bring water, and some still use them. They built the most advanced plumbing in history until the modern age? Roman aqueducts brought over 300 million gallons of water per day to the city of Rome, it also made farm land were it was not even possible! With the aqueduct the Romans did not have to build mayor critics by the water like the Chinese did! this over 300 million gallons of water per day to the city and there pluming could not be matched in till the modern day!

I believe the Romans had the first water filters in history, these water filters were for the aqueducts and perhaps some others things as well. I got this information from some books from the school library a wile back.

The Romans have also invented the fist mouthwash, that actually clean your teeth, and was not harmful to your body or your teeth?

The Romans invented the hammer and the nail, which built structures faster and better. Actually their nails design back then was much better than modern nail design today. Their nails were square, and that could fit in the wood perfectly without cracking it, todays nails are around they crack the wood wan you nail it to the wood?

Roman medical science was very advance, they knew so many things are still being practiced today. Especially the trainers?in sports (trainers are pretty much like medics).

The Romans had most medical tools that is same exact that medical tools a modern doctor will have. The only difference between the modern tools and the Roman tools is that, the Roman tools were made out of bronze also theirs are much more decorated, and modern tools are not decorated, and made of stainless steel I think. Other than that, if you lighten up the medical tools together, they will look exactly the same (beside the decoration of the Roman tools).

They even had historys first sanitized treatment? They say not one gladiator has died from the treatment of a Roman doctor. Gladiators will be badly wounded, or heart, the very next day or in 3 days or so (depending on the damage, of how long they will stay with the doctor) they will be good as new. In these recent discoveries of these tools and medical science of the Romans, they have discovered that the ancient Romans perform virtually modern-day surgeries! After the Roman Empire fell this modern-day surgeries a.k.a. Roman surgeries, and along with some of the medical science fell with it!?

The first Coliseum (The Roman Coliseum) and still today one of the biggest, as tall as 175 feet or so, it held as many as 75,000 spectators or maybe more, it had the first drinking water fountain, elevators maybe the first in history, had the first cover, called the Velarium and etc.

Roman architecture, heavily influenced in our culture today?.

The Roman even had modern legal system?like the trial for gory and act.

In small thing about Roman military.

The Romans had the most avenst armor and helmets in ancient time!

The Segmentata Armor was very flexible and gave good strong protection. The Segmentata wastes 17 to 20 lbs. It will provide protection against missiles, speeders, swords and etc. This armor was the strongest armor made at this time, they even had sudsy about this armor? The Romans had other armors as well?

The Romans organized the first field medics in there army (this is the first time in history).
The Roman medic were white, had medical supplies, and had standard armor, and helmets. The Roman's medical officer was "medicus" and their equivalent of modern-day enlisted medic were called the "medicus ordinarius". The medicus ordinarious was drawn from the ranks of soldiers, and trained by the Roman army? Our own armed forces traditionally train and employ technicians to care for troops in the field just as the early Romans did.?(U.S.A. armed forces) Yes everyone did have some form of medics, but the Romans, took it up in another level. Having the first organized field medics?/P>

Roman helmets uniquely designed. This helmet stretches down to the neck providing protection to the neck, also two pieces that protected cheeks, and also the top of the helmet (cannot really described it, just look at the picture) is like something like a cap. Well anyways that part of the helmet I was talking about protects you from heavy weapons, and also from weapons going across your face (at least downward).

As you can see these helmets were very advance.

http://www.lundyisleofavalon.co.uk/history/romans/romanhelm3 b.jpg

The Romans chose the Gladius (The Roman sword) is because they can fight in closer formations. They also can maneuver faster in there formations, they also have no problem fighting in a tighter or closer terrain, and with shorter swords they could also have a bigger shield, and could make better formations.

There is also more reasons they chose the Gladius, it can be wheeled faster than a bigger swords, and its more maneuverable its lighter than any sword at that time (to my knowledge) and it is good for piercing through armor, at least through light or medium armor.

The Roman infantry sword that I mention, it is 22 In. or 24 In. long, the Roman cavalry sword looks exactly the same as a Roman infantry sword but much longer its called the Sparta. Lots of historians say the Roman sword was the best sword ever made.?or The best hand weapon until the gunpowder age.?/P>

The Romans had the greatest machinery at its time, they invented the Catapult, Onager, ball bearings, improve the Ballista, and more (invented or improve).

And almost forgot to mention one more thing. The Romans invented the worlds first chain gun.?it was a Ballista that can shoot multiple projectiles, and the funny thing is the way they reload it is a lot like the American Civil War Gatling gun but with bigger projectiles.

Greek or Roman Ballista unlike a giant crossbow, Ballistas can shoot rocks, medal balls, javelins, and arrows.

The Romans also had histories first Death rays!!

The Roman shields

These Roman shields have been described to me as Tower shields?because of the size. Dont be fold that the shield is heavy, just because its size. Roman Shield had reinforced leather padding or armor in the front and in the back to make this shield stronger?

It took us 1800 years to rediscover or remake most what the West or world has lost.

Some thinks like medical sciences, tools, most architecture, Coliseum, SELF OPENING DOORS, some machinery and act took 2000 years to rediscover or remake?

Rome was the longest Empire on human History? Like they say The Roman Empire was a virtue of modern civilization.?

Ok believe me I can keep going on just with the Romans, if I do then it will be a book not a post. So I will move on with other uncivilized barbarians.?

Very Brief now got to go!

Greece

The Greeks had knowledge to gather electricity from lighting and had some form of magnets technology?. They even had historys frist canon witch was a steam canon or steam Gun?

The Greeks had the worlds most brilliant minds, they had greatest philosophers! They invented the Republic, Democracy, check & balance, algebra, they even invented the first-steam engine in history, also invented the first Spencer machine, they also have invented the first automatic doors. and more!

Incas

Correct me if Im wrong, but I think it was the Incas invent the zero! They were perhaps the most advanced with MATH!! They had good architecture as well? The Incas were also one of the Greatest empires in the Americas!

Spine and others Europeans

The Europeans had the most advanced Ships after the 15th century! The Spanish were the first in history to circle the world! They were the first to Conquer Americas! And if not the Vikings the Spanish were the first outsider people to step foot on Americas! The Europeans were mad advancements in anatomy (Da Vinci), astronomy (Galileo) music (Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus, etc) The Europeans had the most avenst armors, weapons, ships, industry, science, and more!

Egypt built the biggest stretcher in ancient times aka the Egypt primaries, first righting system in history, and more!

Others

The Baghdad battery (3000 BC I think) witch is the first battery in history! ?.

some of chinese ancient inventions (gun powder (invented during the han dynasty), compass (invented during the bc time), paper (also invented in bc), copy techniques (also invented bc)

the chinese song dynasty was also the first country in the world equipped with gun powder weapons such as hand held gernade, cannons, and an early version of guns.

Europe, the middle east, and central asia were all either the dark age, uncivilized, or barbaric while china outpaced the world in the arts and sciences.?/P>

Dude, over all China at that time (like in 1000-1300s) was the most advance, but Europe had the most advance armors, castles, and some other things here and there, the middle east were advanced in other things as well?

thanks to the unification of china under the first emperor. china managed to be the largest economy int he world for 18 of the last 20 centuries. ancient china's economy was driven mostly by internal trade and economic activities between provinces, functioning like today's usa. this is the way china is going to be again. at least economically.

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rome and the middle east might have been advanced in a certain fields, but not one nation on earth was able to project a production capability and economic might like china in the ancient world.

of course, this also had to do with china's unity as one giant nation. in a modern-world scenerio, the reunification of china with the last seperating chinese province of taiwan is what the us fears because it will give birth to the greatest threat to us domination of the world's politics and economy.



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Hi! Greatest warriors ever? That would be the Italians. No doubt... They are SO brave... Just look at the second world war...

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I would not like to brag, or seem unseemly patriotic (which I ain't guilty the least bit), the Croatians do have a tendency of being good warriors (like so many slavs). I would put an emphasis on the wars against turk invasions, where we were hampered by greater powers and politics, yet remained the adamant "Wall of Christianity". That's just one of several things, amongst them the latest war of independance, where we defeated quite a large, professional Serbian army (example, Vukovar; Croatian Alamo).
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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2006 at 15:13

Depends what you mean. After all does best include their equipment, training, abilities, bravery, doggedness.....etc.

 

In todays world i would argue the Ghurkas.

in the Ancient world probably the Romans as best soldiers. In equal armies they can take everyone apart from cavalry archer heavy armies. A lot of this depends on the surroundings of course, a Roman legion is dead on the Asian plains but the Mongols would have suffered in the German forests much worse.

 

Medieval, the Welsh archers. they were the best weapon until the 19th century.

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  Quote Bosniathebestcountry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 00:39

I must say i have to disagree with alot of comments in this thread.

The mongols couldve taken over europe, it just wasnt in their interest. So therefore the germanics wouldnt do squat. And for the last time, the mongols were the best archers. Its a fact. I even heard it on the history channels.

Now, a little dose of my personal opinion- Id say Slavs are the best warriors! Cuz we're brave, we're tough, very rebelious and proud. especially in the balkans.

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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 17:09
Sorry, yes Slavs are brave but this is a point taht i think this thread misses. Every nation has had very good armies but it depends entirely on context. So Slavs, yes they're brave but they often lack unification in teh Balkans etc and have been mullered several times by various people.
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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 17:27
true...now think of what would happen if they'd be united, and stayed that way?
In general, the Slavs are violent, and inclined to aggression.If not for the disharmony amongst them, caused by the multiplication of factions and by their fragmentation into clans, no people could mach their strength. They inhabit the richest limits of the lands suitable for settlement, and most plentiful in means of support. They are specially energetic in agriculture... Their trade on land and sea reaches to the Ruthenians and to Constantinople
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