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Topic: Language questions (Greek, Turkish, etc.) Posted: 03-Aug-2005 at 04:56 |
Also we say "pisi" or "pisik" to cats as well as "kedi" in Turkish but mostly when calling it "gel (geh) pisi pisi!"
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Posted: 03-Aug-2005 at 15:26 |
yes, we don't say "come here kedi kedi"
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Posted: 07-Aug-2005 at 13:18 |
Bulgarians have adopted the Turkish word "Bacanak", meaning husband of your wife's sister.
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Posted: 08-Aug-2005 at 04:42 |
Originally posted by the Bulgarian
Bulgarians have adopted the Turkish word "Bacanak", meaning husband of your wife's sister.
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Old Turkic Bulgarians or present time Slavic Bulgarians , which one adopted it?
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Posted: 09-Aug-2005 at 11:45 |
Slavic Bulgarians.
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Posted: 09-Aug-2005 at 12:55 |
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Slavic Bulgarians. |
Really? U use it in Bulgaria? Surprised!!
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Posted: 09-Aug-2005 at 17:33 |
It has become Balkan heritage now
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Posted: 09-Aug-2005 at 21:24 |
Turkish - Greek common words. (copy&paste)
adet - adeti (arabic origin) afaroz - aforismos (greek) aga - agas (turkic) ahtapot - htapodi (greek) anadolu - anatoli (greek) anfora - amphoreus (greek) angarya - angaria (greek) atlet - athlitis (greek) ayran - airani (turkic) baba - babas (international) baglama - baglamas (turkic) bahsis - bahsisi (persian) bakkal - bakkalis (arabic) baklava - baklavas(turkic) barut - baruti (persian) bela - belas (arabic) benzin - benzini (french) bey - beis (turkic) biber - piperi (IE ?) bostan - bostani (persian) boya - bogia (turkic) borek -boureki (turkic) bre - vre (mediterranean) buzuki- bouzouki (turkic) cacik -tzatziki (turkic) cam -tzami (persian) cami -tzami (arabic) cambaz - tzambazis (persian) cep - tsepi (arabic) cezve - tzesves (arabic) ciger-tziyeri (persian) cakir keyif - tsakir kefi (turkic+arabic) canta-tsanta (turkic) capkin-tsahpinis (turkic) cardak- tsardaki (persian) carik -tsarouhi (turkic) cay -tsai (Chinese) cember -tsemperi (persian) ciklet - tsikla (french) ciftetelli -tsiftetelli (turkic) ciftlik -tsifliki (turkic) cirak -tsiraki (persian) cipura - tsipura (greek) corek -tsoureki (turkic) dalga -dalgkas (turkic) darbuka - ntarbuka (arabic) davul - ntauli (arabic) defne-dafni (greek) dervis -dervisis (persian) dert -derti (persian) dogru -dogrou (turkic) dolap -ntoulapi (arabic) dolma -ntolmas (turkic) dumen - timoni (italian) efendi - afendis (greek) eksen - axonas (greek) fasulye - fasoulia (greek) fener - fanari (greek) fincan - flitzani (greek) firca - vourtsa (greek) fidan - fidani (greek) filozof - filosofos (greek) fisek - fiseki (persian&greek) fistan - foustani (greek&italian) guverte - kouverta (italian) hamal - hamalis (arabic) hancer - hatzari (arabic) hanim - hanoumi,hanoumissa (turkic) hap - hapi (arabic) harita - hartis (greek) haram - harami (arabic) harman - harmani (persian) hatir-hatiri (arabic) helva - halvas (arabic) hoca - hotzas (persian) horon - horos (greek) huzur - houzouri (arabic) ibrik - briki (arabic) imam bayildi - imam baildi (arabic+turkic) irgat - ergatis (greek) iskelet - skeletos (greek) ispanak - spanaki (greek) iskarpin - skarpini (italian) istakoz - astakos (greek) istavrit - stavritis (greek) istavroz - stavros (greek) isteri - ysteria (greek) istridye - stridi (greek) kabadayi - kabadais (turkic) kabuk - kabouki (turkic) kadayif - kadaifi (arabic) kalamar - kalamari (greek) kalfa - kalfas (arabic) kanal - kanali (french) kapak - kapaki (turkic) karpuz - karpuzi (persian) karsilama - karsilamas (turkic) kasap - hasapis (arabic) kasar - kaseri (turkic) kavga - kavgas (persian) kaymak - kaimaki (turkic) keci - katsiki (turkic) kemence - kementzes (persian) kerevet - krevati (greek) kestane - kastano (greek) keyif - kefi (arabic) kilise - ecclisia (greek) kilit - klidi (persian) kiraz - kerasi (greek) kokona - kokona (greek) kokorec - kokoretsi (greek) korfez-korfos (greek) kulube - kalyva (persian&greek) kutu - kouti (greek) kuzine - kouzina (spanish) kupeste - koupasti (greek) liman - limani (greek) limon - lemoni (greek) lokum - lukumi (arabic) lufer - luferi (greek) marangoz - marangos (greek) manastir - monastiri (greek) manav - manavis (greek) mandalina - mandarini (greek) mantar - manitari (greek) maraz - marazi (arabic) meltem - meltemi (?) metazori - me ta zori (greek) meze - mezes (persian) mikrop - mikrobio (greek) misafir - musafiris (arabic) muze - mousio (greek) nargile - nargiles (persian) naz - nazi (persian) okyanus - okeanos (greek) pabuc - papoutsi (persian) pancar - pantzouri (greek) pantolon - panteloni (italian) panayir - panigyri (greek) pide - pita (greek) portakal - portokali (Portugal) rezil-rezili (arabic) sabun - sapuni (greek) salep - salepi (arabic) saz - sazi (persian) sokak- sokaki (arabic) soy - soi (turkic) sunger - sfungari (greek) samata - samatas (arabic) serbet - serbeti (arabic) taraca - taratsa (italian) tavan -tavani (?) tavla - tavli (italian) temel - themelio (greek) tencere - tentzeris (greek) teneke - tenekes (latin) tulumba - touloumba (italian) tufek -toufeki (persian) varil-vareli (french) yaka - yakas (turkic) zar - zari (arabic) zeybek - zeibekikos (greek) zor - zori (persian) zurna - zurnas (persian) zuluf - tsouloufi (persian)
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 02:21 |
Once Beylerbeyi posted such a list and Greeks, as far as I remember especially Phallanx, got angry about it...
By the way, bouzouki comes from Turkish bozuk. There's a saz called bozuk (out of order, broken - because its size is smaller and its played in bozuk tuning system). I read this in many Greek sites about rembetiko and bouzouki...
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 02:30 |
Okay. Ive edited this two words.
buzuki- bouzouki (turkic) Saz - Sazi (persian)
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 05:53 |
Corrections:
atlet - athlitis (french) - nope, greek ayran - airani (turkic) - no idea what this means baba - babas (turkic) - nope, international barut - baruti (persian) - nope, greek (pyritis) biber - piperi (IE ?) - yes, but coming from other origin bre - vre (?) - mediterranean cezve - tzesves (arabic) - no idea what this means darbuka - ntarbuka (arabic) - no idea what this means dogru -dogrou (turkic) - no idea what this means efendi - afendis (greek) - not sure if it is greek eksen - axonas (IE?) - greek (axon) fasulye - fasoulia (greek) - actually "fasolia" fener - fanari (greek) - actually "fanos". Fanarion = small lantern fincan - flitzani (greek) - not sure if it is greek firca - vourtsa (greek) - not sure if it is greek fisek - fiseki (persian) - nope, greek (fysiggion) harita - hartis (arabic) - nope, greek (hartos = paper, hartis = map) iskarpin - skarpini (greek) - nope, italian (scarpe = shoes) isteri - ysteria (french) - nope, greek kabadayi - kabadais (turkic) - no idea what this means kalamar - kalamari (greek) - not sure if it is greek kemence - kementzes (greek) - not greek kilit - klidi (persian) - nope, greek (kleida = key) kokona - kokona (greek) - not greek kulube - kalyva (persian) - nope, greek (kalypto = I cover) kutu - kouti (greek) - from "kytion" kuzine - kouzina (greek) - nope, spanish, I think (cocina) kupeste - koupasti (greek) - not sure if it is greek lufer - luferi (greek) - no idea what this means marangoz - marangos (greek) - not sure if it is greek manav - manavis (greek) - not sure if it is greek mandalina - mandarini (greek) - not greek mantar - manitari (greek) - not greek meltem - meltemi (?) - not greek, maybe arabic? metazori - me ta zori (greek) - "me to zori". ("Me to" is greek, but I am unsure about "zori") mikrop - mikrobio (french) - nope, greek (mikro=small, vios=life) pancar - pantzouri (greek) - not sure if it is greek pantolon - panteloni (french) - nope, italian portakal - portokali (french) - not sure sabun - sapuni (arabic) - nope, greek (sapon) tavan -tavani (?) - not greek tencere - tentzeris (greek) - not greek teneke - tenekes (?) - I think latin origin zor - zori (persian) - aaa, there is "zori"!
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:21 |
Originally posted by Menippos
dogru -dogrou (turkic) - no idea what this means"! |
I know! It means "straight ahead"
Originally posted by Menippos
kemence - kementzes (greek) - not greek | What does this mean? Never heard it before...
Originally posted by Menippos
kilit - klidi (persian) - nope, greek (kleida = key)"! | Kleidion - remember the battle?
Originally posted by Menippos
mantar - manitari (greek) - not greek | Got you! It's Greek, comes from anc.Greek Amanita
Originally posted by Menippos
portakal - portokali (french) - not sure | Portugese
Btw, I'm amazed that you took the time!
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:33 |
kemence isnt Greek, it's an Eastern Black sea instrument, belongs to Laz. "tencere" isnt Greek also. Barut is Chinese I guess, Turks have used gunpowder before Greeks learned it.
Most of the fish names in Turkish are from Greek. Some from Italian.
Here is a longer list of common words, the site is Turkish but it's easy to find the words...
http://www.denizce.com/trgr.asp
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:40 |
kemence: A stringed instrument played by a bow especially by Black Sea people, also by Pontos Greeks
I think it means little keman(violin) in Persian...
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:43 |
In Greek it is called "Lyra"
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:46 |
Well, the Milets, when colonized Eastern Black Sea coast, were ethnically assimilated in the local population. And both adopted elements from each other.
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:47 |
After the immigration, it might be changed I think... Because as far as I know the mainland Greece's lyra is different from the Pontos one...
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:50 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
kemence isnt Greek, |
Well, the word is not Greek, but the instrument has its origins to the ancient Greek "guitar"="kithara".
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
"tencere" isnt Greek also. |
The word is not Greek, and the pot is a pot found anywhere.
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Barut is Chinese I guess, Turks have used gunpowder before Greeks learned it. |
Gunpowder was invented by the Cinese. It was used by the Turks in
the siege of Constantinoupolis (then, now Istanbul). The word, however,
is Greek; it is the word "pyritis" (pyr=fire in anc. Greek).
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Posted: 10-Aug-2005 at 06:51 |
Originally posted by kotumeyil
After the immigration, it might be changed I think...
Because as far as I know the mainland Greece's lyra is different from
the Pontos one... |
Of course, but it belongs to the same family of instruments.
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