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    Posted: 01-Jul-2005 at 23:39

1.Field Marshal Eric Von Manstein

2>field marshal Erwin Rommel

3,Field marshal Hans Guderian

4.General George C. Patton

5.General Douglas McArthur

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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2005 at 01:54

forgot the Tiger of Malaya? what about Zhukov?

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  Quote PatriotMan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2005 at 02:14
 from that list Patton but your leaving out alot of key figures
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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2005 at 10:56

I'd pull MacArthur, was more a great showman with political connections than a great general.

 

Other commanders that bear note are Stillwell, Wood, Nimitz, Doolittle(US), 

Caunter(UK),  personally I think no other commander demonstrates the ineptitude of the British army as does John Alan Lyde Caunter.  This old tanker served as Alexander's second in command at the battle of Beda Fomm and was forced to take command when Alexander became ill.  The agressive tank commander swiftly crushed Axis opposition and a reward for his service he was dispatched to a backwater garrison guarding the Northwestern frontier in India.

 

Sad thing is that the American military shared the same flaws, a number of senior American tank commanders were to backwater spots of little importance.

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  Quote Thegeneral Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2005 at 11:40
I'd vote for Rommel!  He may not have had all the logistics nessecary for Africa, but he certainly did quite a lot.  And then he came to Normandy and did a phenominal job with the defenses with so little.  He even rallies the French to build the defenses tell them that the Allies would destroy everything if they came ashoe by their town.  The French moto was "Let the Allies come, but not in my backyard!".
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jul-2005 at 17:09
One is tempted to say Zhukov because he did so much for the allies but he did of course not use the most subtle or impressive looking tactics.  For battlefield brilliance I go with either Mannstein or Patton.  Romeel and Yamash*ta deserve kudos for brilliant mobile offensives as well.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2005 at 14:34
I'd go for Bill Slim, he had the least equipment, supplies and support of any commander. He was heavily outnumbered and fighting a vastly superior foe. He wasn't born with a silver spoon but rose to general from private and (Patton and Montgommery should note this) he never used the 'I' word or the 'We' when reporting what his army did. He always described a fight as what 'you' 'the men' or 'they' did excluding himself.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2005 at 22:43
Good point, I like Slim alot especially after I read a book about him.
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Imagine had Tukachevsky still been around..........oh well. In terms of class and tactical flair I think alot of the resistance leaders, I will give especial note to the Yugoslavs, made a very substantial performance. But war is about winning rather than being entertaining, so I give credit to the man who actually won the decisive battles of the war and whose army, in the words of Churchill: "broke the back of the German Army". I vote Zhukov.
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  Quote Bishop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2005 at 23:11
Kesselring was an extremely talented general. And I'd have to put him high on the list. I mention him first because he had not been mentioned yet, which is a crime.

In planning I go with Manstein.
In logistics I go with Kesselring.
In shear genius I go with Guderian.
In tactical awareness I go with Rommel.

The allies should be mentioned out of respect. After all we did beat these military geniuses, even if it was with a 10 to one advantage.





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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 10:52
Not one of those geniuses could have done what Patton did in the battle of the bulge.
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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 10:56

I'd go for Bill Slim

 

damn, I would have mentioned him if I hadn't forgot about him and his fourteenth army...

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  Quote Morgoth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2005 at 22:50

1. von Manstein (Seige of Sevastopol, Plan for battle of France, Advance to Leningrad, Battle of Kharkov)

2. Guderian (created the panzer troops)

3. Model (defensive genius, Arnhem)

4. von Rundstedt (Army Group South, Poland, extremly reliable general)

5. Kesselring (Monte Casino, Italy)

7. Rommel (Afrika Korps, advance through France)

6. Student (created the falshirmjager, Eben Emael, Crete)

 

One is tempted to say Zhukov because he did so much for the allies

What about the disasterous Operation Mars (1942-43), a bloody defeat that cost Zhukov half a million men and more than 1700 tanks destroyed?



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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 16:15

Yes, Zhukov could only be mentioned due to the end result - the fall of Berlin. But any other general with a little military skill could have kept the post WW2 Soviet Russias population up a couple of million young men, rather then waste them on some pointless deathtrips. General winter weakened the Wehrmacht and Zhukov just wiped those weakling out, with really hard work.

But still, i guess it was better to have Zhukov on the main offensive by the Soviets rather than Voroshilov, Budjonnoi (weird spelling), Kulik Kaganovitsch or Krutschev. The soviets had really bad generals acctually when i look at it. Stalin just wasn't lucky with his timing when he had the good ones murdered just before the war and he did notice it right after the Winter War and the summer of 1941.

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  Quote Emperor Barbarossa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2005 at 20:29
Out of the whole list, i most definitely would say Patton. Though not the best at keeping his mouth shut, he did help out in pusing the Nazis east in North Africa, capturing both Messina and Palermo in Sicily, and for his grand accomplishment at the Battle of the Bulge.

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  Quote GENERAL PARMENION Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 05:50
Rommel...by far the best!! Interesting that the allies in North Africa forbid their soldiers to refer to Rommel by his name.They simply refered to him as " The enemy " . Rommel was their worst nightmare!
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  Quote Thegeneral Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 09:09

They had what was known as the Rommel Disease, that whenever a group of soldiers began to speak of him too long, they became demorilized.  Thats when his name was forbidden. 

And when the allies found out Rommel was in charge of the Atlantic defenses, Eisenhower almost called the invasion off, but instead called for heavier bombardment of the coast.

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  Quote Travis Congleton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 17:53
I throw my hat in for William Slim (sure seems like a lot of folks are noticing him of late).  History is finally catching up with his achievements.
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  Quote StormCrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2006 at 23:23
Here's my WWII Top Five:

1. Gen. George Patton
2. Erwin Rommel
3. Gen. DoulgasMcArthur
4. Maj. Richard Winters
5. Benjamin O. Davis
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