The kurds in Iran.

 

How opressed is the kurds in Iran? Is their any opression against the kurds in Iran on the whole?

The kurds in Iran have been opressed bu the persian rulers for centurys. The kurds didn't get out of the way of the downascendings shahs neither the present regime. The way of the opressions can be written down on a long list but i won't write it down, i think everybody in here no the meaning of opresseion. This is not a secret, the whole world is aware of it. It's very easyier to go through life in iran as an persian than a kurd, azeri or a baluch. I don't blame this as a kurd on the entire persian people but the regime and those who shutt their eyes to it.

 

And which centuries do you talk of? Because only 80 years ago the first Persian rulers of Iran for 200 years became rulers and before that there were no ethnic Persian rulers since the times of the SAmanids and Safarid 800 year prior.

I don't think you are a Kurd and you are spreading lies to cause divisions.  Why do you have the head of an Ashuri ruler in your Avatar? Are you AssyrianMan7?

I have talked to my father. I will tell you a true story about him.

My dad was a Major in the Army before the revolution, most of the professional army disbanded* at that time and there was no law and worse still no one to enforce it, basically there were bandits running riot robbing people on the highways etc. He formed a militia to protect the people and they decided that they were apolitical (neutral) and just wanted to restore some sort of order, that they did. They armed themselves with rifles from the city Barracks which my dad had access to he was head of the militia.

*(I will also add that thousands and thousands of Army officers were purged by the regime, this was the main reason why the Iraq war was such a disaster at the outset, the army at its full strength would have stopped Saddam and crushed his Army.)

Now I dunno if you have heard of Khalkhali or not - this guy was a crazy mullah that went around the provinces like the Gestapo and just killed anyone he saw as a threat, like if someone would say something political about a person they did not like Khalkhali and his brutes would go after him and perform a summary execution without trial. Khalkhalis ethos was something like if they are innocent then we are doing them a favour and sending them to heaven

This was the point in the revolution at which other factions that supported the revolution were crushed such as socialists, secularists, anyone that was not on the side of the Islamic republic, EVEN religious people who did not agree with teh clergy ruling the country were killed. 

I don't know if you have heard of the KDP or not, Kurdish Democratic Party (or a similar name). The KDP was a faction that supported the revolution but later fell foul of the ISlamists that had hijacked it.  They had a stronghold in Pahveh.

Khalkhali was in town and he wanted to crush ALL dissidents, be they Kurd, Persian, Azari or whatever (he himself was Azari). They wanted to send my dad's militia to Pahveh as cannon fodder so that they had an excuse to send in actual infantry and destroy the Kurdish opposition.  They ordered my dad's men to go to Pahveh. They deliberately did not tell him what they had done because they knew he would object to sending untrained normal people to face guerilla fighters.

They had started their march towards Pahveh when my dad found out, he managed to intercept them in his jeep and told them to return their weapons to the armoury and return home, he knew what the consequences would be and went home pretty much resigned tot he fact that he would be arrested that night and probably killed.* That night my dad's colonel and friend came to the door and told him that revolutionary opportunists were going to pass his name to Khalkhali and co, but that he had told them that if they send his name they would face reprisals and revenge from the many people he had helped in his life (most of them very poor Laki and Kurdi villagers), and this was sufficient to stop them from giving his name to Khalkhali.

*(If he was any other man he would have been.  He was always a man of the people and always helped the poor people and they loved him for it. If you go to certain villages in Kermanshah and ask about Reza Golzari you will hear nothing but praise and adoration.)

The KDP in Pahveh.  As it happened the revolutionaries sent infantry to the town and ordered that they attack and kill all of the Kurdish militia.  The officers (my dad's colleagues, Persians) refused - they did not agree with the action and disobeyed the orders - they were all executed.

I did not hear this story from my dad I heard it from my uncles and my dad's friends when I visited Iran in 2003 and went to Pahveh myself.

To talk about Persian persecution against Kurds  as an ethnic phenomenon is complete bullsh-t, why can my dad speak Kurdish and yours can't? Your dad was a Peshmerga my dad was in the Army, I find that very odd, my dad learned Kurdish from his environment because he wanted to learn it, your dad could have done the same.

If by persecution you mean that Kurdish isn't taught at school as part of the curriculum, then I am sorry to break it to you:  IRAN IS NOT AS RICH AS SWEDEN and cannot implement a two teer education system at the moment.

The opening of the Kurdish language institute at Kordestan University in Iran shows that they are on the right  path.  I think you are just to filled with a sense of victimhood and ethnic nationalism to look at the situation impartially.

Again, I ask you to cite instances of Persian persecution of Kurds, it existed under Reza Shah but that is not applicable in a modern context.

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Who has said that my father can't SPEAK kurdish Zagros?

He can't wright and read... That's the difference.

I don't see how that is relevant as I am not an ethnonationalist.  But to read and write it would not be hard if you knew how to speak it. I can speak a little Kurdish, I can understand it better than I can speak it and to see it written even more understandable. I have never tried to learn it before I took an interest in traditional Kurdish music the last couple of years. Kermanshahi culture is Kurdish and Kurdish culture is a branch of Iranic just like Persian.

And you didn't answer my question can YOU speak Sorani?

I would still like to see examples of specific ethnic oppression of Kurds by Persians over the centuries as the thread starter claimed.  If he makes sweeping statements like that he MUST back them up with facts otherwise he is a lying propagandist or a divisive lying prevocateaur (like Assyrianman7).

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Cent, Zagros Purya is right about it, everyone in Iran is oppressed right now, it's not only the kurds. In the actual society as far as I know, kurds are very respected amongst people. They're thought to be educated and brave. The idea of oppressing one ethnicity doesn't hold true in Iran, since people have been mixed too much. Even if you're a persian guy you're pretty much bound to have some relative that is kurdish and some relative that is Azari. I have tons of friends who were born to one kurdish and one azari parent. So the general population doesn't have anything against azaries/kurds/balouchies/persians/....

However, the governement is what's oppressive in Iran and it's by no means a correct representation of the culture of Iranian people.

Don't forget Ostad Shamaizade especially when he says "Man Asheghe Kurdistanam - Ku...Ku...Ku.. Asheghe Kurdistan... "

Originally posted by Zagros Purya man ahle kordestanam, kordam korde iranam, eshgham joonam iraaaaan, iran dino imanam.

and translation is:

I am from Kurdestan, I'm a kurd, a kurd of Iran,  Iran is my love and my life, Iran is my religion and my Faith.