Tomb of the last Macedonian King Perseus

the slavs who live northern of Albania,

Theres only one in Northern Albania and thats a Serbian one. it lies in the District of Shkoder...

Originally posted by Iskender Bey ALBO Macedonia, Albania and Bulgaria. 1) Were not Slavs

ofcaurse they r not!

Originally posted by Iskender Bey ALBO 2) What Slavs are you discussing? The 3000 in Korce?

the slavs who live northern of Albania, Macedonia and Bulgaria, mate

here u have a "propaganda" page, but its half spanish

http://www.makedonika.org/processpaid.aspcontentid=ti.2001.p df

Originally posted by Harry Potter  No insults like that fyrom thing or slavs. Slavs u can call the russians, serbs or everythig upper than Macedonia, Albania and Bulgaria.

Two things:

1. Fyrom the official name according to the United Nations and all international organizations, so it's not an insult but an accurate description.

2. You're not Slavs?!!!

The President of The FYROM, Kiro Gligorov said: �We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).

or

On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, �There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country".

Well, apparently, there's some confusion involved here, you people have to decide...

Harry Potter

Being one of the most fascistic members if not the most (so some say) I honestly would like to hear your objective arguments. No propaganda sites no BS what so ever, an honest and objective discussion based on arguments (I do mean real arguments), We will base our arguments on texts, archeologic finds....etc. no propaganda. (no propaganda means no makedonija or similar sites)

Please  let's do it, but under one condision,
you admit you are wrong.

And one request, change the avantar, it is both insulting and provoking, use your nations flag not that ilegal adoption.
That is of course if you feel you need to be treated with respect, if not please do continue to use it.


Edited by Phallanx

Originally posted by Harry Potter Originally posted by Orestis Do you know how to speak Greek, do you know what Macedonia stands for? I somehow think you do not. But I will endeavour to educate your ilk wherever I can.   http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/data/sparta.gif <---- Please refer to the following link for the genelogical sequence of the house of Sparta, amazingly enough you shall see PERSEUS who is the offspring of Zeus and Danae. u r a great educator Orestis, please continue to educate us with this propaganda sites

Look who's back. Even if you change ur profile ur posts didnt get any better.

Phallanx you are essentially correct. Greeks at that time however adopted names at large of their ancestors, this tradition carried through the Byzantine and the current era. Some more info on Perseus origin.

In this link you will find all the ancestory of Macedonian Argives . If you go back futher enough, you will find Karanos who is the Prince of Argos that came to Macedonia to establish his own kingdom in ~800 BC. The royal house Karanos descended from is from the House of Perseus. The extention to this royal house were the Heraclids, whom the Argives essentially descended from, the last Kings of the House of Peseus descended from the Temenids that established a secondary Kingdom in Macedonia.

http://www.american-pictures.com/genealogy/persons/per01242. htm#0

This is the genealogical sequence where Karanos descended from, the Temenids, the Temenids are better known as the Heraclids or the House of Perseus in Argos and Sparta.

http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/data/argos3e.gif

What does this mean ? It means that Perseus etymologically came from Sparta (the same holds true for the Macedonian Argive Dynasty) Perseus direct descendant came from Macedonia, Argos, Athens, Pharsalos and Epiros, not Paeonia and Daradania!

 

Originally posted by Phallanx I don't think that this is the same Perseus. The one the topic is about was the son of Philip V dated around 170BC. While you are talking about a time before Agamemnon and even before Odysseus. Which takes us before 1200BC.

I think you got wrong the meaning of what he wrote. He says the name Perseus is found in the Early House of Sparta not the person.

http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/data/sparta.gif <---- Please refer to the following link for the genelogical sequence of the house of Sparta, amazingly enough you shall see PERSEUS who is the offspring of Zeus and Danae.

I don't think that this is the same Perseus.
The one the topic is about was the son of Philip V dated around 170BC. While you are talking about a time before Agamemnon and even before Odysseus. Which takes us before 1200BC.

Iskender Bey ALBO and Strategos, that was uncalled for.  Let's play nice.