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    Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 07:08

Today is the victory day of the Turkish nation.

Therefore i thought it would be nice to open a thread about this crucial subject of our history.

The agreements after the first world war were aiming the lands of the Ottoman Empire like sharing acake and abolishing the Ottoman Army.

Emerging defeated from the First World War, the Ottomans were forced to sign an armistice embracing the most onerous conditions, whereby the Anatolian Peninsula, that had been the Turkish homeland for a thousand years, was divided up and subjected to imperialistic designs.

The economy was a shambles, and from every standpoint the Ottoman society was in ruins and in collapse. Seemingly there was no hope. The views expressed at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 were that Turkey would be divided up. But one thing had been forgotten, and that was that the Turks had founded one of the world's most powerful states with Anatolia at its core. Another fact was that the Turks had an ancient and deeply rooted past.

These facts, plus the fact that a people who had lived for centuries on this soil could not be dissolved, had to be made known to the world. To this end associations were founded in various parts of the country, and patriotic citizens did their best to organize. But meanwhile in the Aegean region the Greek Army was advancing swiftly, equipped by Great Britain with the most modern weapons of the day, the French were rapidly occupying in southeastern Anatolia and in the east the Army of the Armenian Republic was advancing. The Ottoman government, implementing the terms of the armistice, was against any form of resistance on the grounds that it would "anger" the enemies. What was to be done? To make matters worse:

In the wake of the First World War,supported by the winners,Greece invaded whole western Anatolia,which caused very dark,dark days for the Turkish Human beings for the following years.This dark day recorded in history as :15 May 1919.

The will of thenation made a decision:The war of Turkish Independence to survive.

After:

1.Inonu

2.Inonu

Kutahya-Eskisehir and Sakarya Pitched Battles between 1921-1922 with the Greek Army

it was the time for a major assault.

 



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MAJOR ASSAULT

After the Sakarya War, the Turkish nation grew imkpatient just like the TGNA did.. Veteran Mustafa Kemal Pasha explained what was happening to those worried and uneasy in a secret meeting of the Turkish Grand National Assembly on 4 March 1922.

He tried to calm down the people, saying, "Our army has decided to attack But we are delaying this assault. The reason is that we need some more time to complete our preparations. Attacking half ready and with little precaution is much worse than inaction ." On the other hand, he was preparing the army for the final war, in other words, final victory. In mid-June 1922, Commander-in-Chief War-Veteran Mustafa Kemal Pasha took the decision to carry out the final offensive. The real goal was to crush the enemy in a pitched battle to attain a rapid and final victory.

Mustafa Kemal Pasha invited the army commanders to Akehir pleading that the army troops should play a soccer match. Thus, Greeks and Occupying States did not pay much attention to this invitation. He spent the night of July 28 discussing the major assault with the commanders and gave the instructions required. On 20 August 1922, Mustafa Kemal Pasha went from Ankara to Akehir; and, on 20 August 1922, he ordered the army to launch a major offensive on the enemy. In order to disguise these secret movements from the public, he had informed the press and new agencies that he would give a reception at the ankaya Palace.

In the morning of August 26, Commander-in-Chief Mustafa Kemal Pasha along with Fevzi Pasha (akmak), the Chief of General Staff and smet Pasha (nn), the Commander of the Western Front took their places in Kocatepe to command the army. The major offensive started there. The operations starting with the harassing fire by the artillerymen at 4.30 a.m. and continued with artillery fire on strategically important locations at 5.00 am.

Our infantrymen moved towards the assault distance at Tnaztepe at 6.00 a.m.; they transgressed the wired fences and killed the Greek soldiers by using their bayonets and captured Tnaztepe. Then, Belentepe was captured at 9.00 am and Kalecik-Sivrisi was rid of the enemy. At the end of the first day of the major assault, the Troops of the First Army at the weight center captured the first line positions of the enemy extending 15 kilometers from Kaleciktepe to iiltepe. Fifth Army Corps of Cavalrymen made successful attacks on the transportation branches on the distant fronts of the enemy. The Second Army carried out its duty on the front impeccably..

On August 26, Chief of General Staff informed the Turkish Grand National Assembly.of the Great Offensive . This news excited the Assembly and led to joyful demonstrations.

On August 27, the Turkish Army made a major assault again on all the fronts. The attacks were mostly made using bayonets and extraordinary efforts. On August 27, Afyon was saved by the Eighth Division at 18.00. The Afyon victory became the honorable and esteemed herald of the liberation. The Commander-in-Chief Headquarter and Command Headquarter of the Western Front were moved to Afyon.

On August 28 and 29, successful attacks were made and the Fifth Division of the enemy was repulsed. On August 29 night, the commanders made a general evaluation of the situation, decided to take rapid action and conclude the war. It was also decided that the retreating ways of the enemy be blocked so that the enemy would be forced to clash and then surrender. The decision was implemented very rapidly. On 30 August 1922, the assault operation led to the final victory of the Turkish Army. The last phase of the Major Offensive took its place in our military history with the name of Commander-in-Chief Pitched Battle.

At the end of the Commander-in-Chief Pitched Battle dated 30 August 1922, a great part of the enemy forces were surrounded on four sides and exterminated or taken prisoner in the Dumlupnar battle commanded by War Veteran Mustafa Kemal Pasha in the fire lines. The expected final result was obtained within five days and the prepared plan was implemented successfully.

With the honorable victory won on 30 August 1922, Mustafa Kemal ordered to follow the retreating enemy and move on towards the Aegean on three branches. He gave his historic order saying, "Armies! Your first goal is the Mediterranean, forward" on 1 September 1922. The Greek soldiers were running back to Izmir. Many Greek soldiers were taken prisoner, including Trikopis, the Commander-in-Chief of the Greek Army.

In this war, our army covered 400 kilometers within fifteen days and entered Izmir on 9 September 1922. Passing through Sabuncu Bel, the Second Division of Cavalrymen moved towards Izmir via Mersinli; the First Division to its left moved towards the Velvet Castle. The Second Regiment of this Division reached Kordonboyu passing through the Tuzluolu Factory. Captain eref Bey hoisted the Turkish flag on the Government House, Captain Zeki Bey, the leader of the Fifth Division of Cavalrymen hoisted the flag on the Command Headquarter and Reat Bey, the Commander of the Fourth Division raised it on the Velvet Castle.

Our soldiers were welcomed with joy in Izmir and the flowers were rained onto them. The Parade of our Cavalrymen through the Cordon was very magnificent. War Veteran Mustafa Kemal Pasha, the Commander-in-Chief of the Liberation victory watched the liberation of Izmir from Belkahve. The Turkish Army covered the 400-kilometer stretch and entered Izmir, which surprised all the people, native or foreign.

The Entente Powers occupying the Dardanelles and Istanbul Straits got concerned about the Great Turkish victory and decided to stop the war and meet the just demands of the Turks. As Lord Kingross said, "England has perceived that it will be faced with a serious crisis. The people are afraid to wage a new war on the Turks."

Within the Armistice Treaty of Mudanya signed on 11 October 1922, the armed clash was stopped and Thrace including Edirne would be left to Turkey and the Greeks residing would evacuate these place within one month. Lloyd George, the English Prime Minister conducting the Greek policy in Anatolia resigned upon these developments.



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THE VICTORY AND THIS THREAD DEDICATED TO THE TURKISH VICTIMS OF THE TURKISH WAR OF INDEPENDENCE,THAT WITNESSED MOST HORRIFIC EVENTS IN 1919-1922 AFTER THE FIRST WORLD WAR DURING THE COLLAPSE OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 13:39

Nice thread

I wonder how many people in total died from both sides during the War of 1919-1922. Do any of you have accurate numbers?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 20:38

Turkish indendence? When were they conquered? Deeply rooted past? Thats in Central Asia, not Anatolia. Turks only have a 1000 year history in Anatolia while Greeks and Armenians have lived there for over 3,000 years each. You dont seem to mention how the Turks came to live in Anatolia, by taking independence away from smaller nations and slaughtering them. When we tried to fight not even for independence but for survival, it was considered treason, but when you do it its an event that should be celebrated.

The army to the Republic of Armenia was advancing? They had just survived a Genocide at the hands of the Ottomans and had been independent for only ONE YEAR, and it was the Ottomans who were advancing to take the last bit of land that Armenians occupied because Armenia was crippled and newly independent. Armenians have been living in present-day eastern Turkey and the Caucasus for over 3,000 years, and our homelands were taken away through genocide by Ottoman forces. I know im going to get a lot of bitter responses from you guys, but its nothing personal, just something i have found to be true through reading accounts from both sides. It just sucks reading posts like that...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 23:48

and in the east the Army of the Armenian Republic was advancing.

What year exactly are you referring about?

whereby the Anatolian Peninsula, that had been the Turkish homeland for a thousand years, was divided up and subjected to imperialistic designs.

If you want to concentrate on history thousands of years ago, you better pack your bags. this kind of reasoning (which is wrong in the case you brought up) only brings up violence. It was the reason Greece invaded Turkey.



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-In 1920 English Forces captured Istanbul,Istanbul was the capital Of Ottoman Empire as you know.

 

-In 15 March 1919,Grek Army supporting by the English landed in Izmir.They brought more soldiers,they captured Turkish cities.Aegean region was completely captured.When they were retreating,they left our villags in flames.Also Izmir was burned.

 

-French Forces, attacked southern Anatolia.Turkish Army could not go there,so Villagers and townspeople started a guerilla war and the French retreated to Syria from the city of Sivas in Central Anatolia.

 

-The Armenians attackd eastern Anatolia.They slaughtered people,their cruelity is still being told by elder people.

 

-Italians landed in South western Anatolia from th cities Izmir to Antalya.

 

-At that time Soviets bgan an Assault to the Balkans.

 

And we made a war.And you see this war unnecessary.And you say the cruel side was we.My answer:

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No one said Turkey defending itself was unnecesary. If this discussion becomes more than saying Turks patriotically defended their country - than thats unnecesary. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 12:43

This crappy like arguement will get to nowhere.

Reason? An Armenian attacking the Turks; as usual...

Bah, I'll stay away from this nonsense crap. Both sides: save your propaganda to yourself.

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Originally posted by ihsan

This crappy like arguement will get to nowhere.

Reason? An Armenian attacking the Turks; as usual...

Bah, I'll stay away from this nonsense crap. Both sides: save your propaganda to yourself.

An Armenian attacking the Turks... Its not an attack, its the exchange of historical facts, which is the purpose of this forum. Reason? Certain people twisting around history, as usual.

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http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/genocide.html

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Armen ian_Genocide/Public_Petitions/public_petitions.html

Check any major university for their genocide studies.... you cant use that age-old excuse and call it Armenian propoganda.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2004 at 16:39

Yes, that's indeed Armenian or Pro-Armenian propaganda.

But I really don't care about this stuff about Armenians. Say whatever you want.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2004 at 17:13

I guess Armenia somehow paid off every major university in the U.S.

Better for me if you dont care...if thats the attitude of the typical Turk then good luck getting into the EU with such a humanist approach to things.

But at least you said BOTH sides throw out propaganda. Shows your an open-minded person and that your government failed in brainwashing you. Ill end the subject.

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I don't care because for years, people have been talking about it and they have never managed to come to a common point. Trying to continuing arguements over the subject just disgusts me.

Besides, it's not in my area of interests. I'm not an expert on the subject, so I don't talk about it.

Anyway... Can someone answer my originay question?

I wonder how many people in total died from both sides during the War of 1919-1922. Do any of you have accurate numbers?

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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

Turkish indendence? When were they conquered? Deeply rooted past? Thats in Central Asia, not Anatolia. Turks only have a 1000 year history in Anatolia while Greeks and Armenians have lived there for over 3,000 years each. You dont seem to mention how the Turks came to live in Anatolia, by taking independence away from smaller nations and slaughtering them.


Its called conquering.  Any powerful empire or nation has done that.

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I guess Armenia somehow paid off every major university in the U.S.


Hey guy, lets think for a second.  How many Armenians are there in the US compared to Turks?  You see Armenians a lot more often than Turks.  MGM Grand ( i think it was) is owned by an Armenian, lots of Armenians are somehow involved in Movie production.  In the first AE there was a thread about a movie that was going to come out some years ago about Ataturks life, but by Armenian protest the movie wasnt followed throught.  So tell me, who has more of a voice in society in the US, Turks or Armenians?  Of course colleges will take the Armenians side, there are a lot more of them then there are Turks in the US.

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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

Turkish indendence? When were they conquered? Deeply rooted past? Thats in Central Asia, not Anatolia. Turks only have a 1000 year history in Anatolia while Greeks and Armenians have lived there for over 3,000 years each. You dont seem to mention how the Turks came to live in Anatolia, by taking independence away from smaller nations and slaughtering them.


Its called conquering.  Any powerful empire or nation has done that.

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I guess Armenia somehow paid off every major university in the U.S.


Hey guy, lets think for a second.  How many Armenians are there in the US compared to Turks?  You see Armenians a lot more often than Turks.  MGM Grand ( i think it was) is owned by an Armenian, lots of Armenians are somehow involved in Movie production.  In the first AE there was a thread about a movie that was going to come out some years ago about Ataturks life, but by Armenian protest the movie wasnt followed throught.  So tell me, who has more of a voice in society in the US, Turks or Armenians?  Of course colleges will take the Armenians side, there are a lot more of them then there are Turks in the US.

Its not just in the United States. Canada and most of Europe agree that there was a genocide and there are genocide studies going on in many major countries. Also in Argentina and Uruguay. There are also Turkish scholars in the States and in Istanbul who have all said its time for Turkey to accept it and move on.

But im curious to see your stand on the genocide....maybe you agree it happened but just disagreed with my post....or you disagree with both...id like to know which.

And that Ataturk movie is in fact going to be made, so you dont have to worry. I believe it is going to be called "Blonde Wolf", and Ataturk is going to be played by Nick Nolte.

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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

There are also Turkish scholars in the States and in Istanbul who have all said its time for Turkey to accept it and move on.

Only one or two, and they probably have Turkish Armenian origins (such as Halil Berktay). They are no more biased than Armenian genocide-crazy ultra-nationalists and Turkish extreme-nationalists.

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And that Ataturk movie is in fact going to be made, so you dont have to worry. I believe it is going to be called "Blonde Wolf", and Ataturk is going to be played by Nick Nolte.

Interesting... Do you have any details? A website?

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Anyway, this is a thread about the Battle of Dumlupnar fought between August 26 and 30, 1922. Please go discuss this Armenian Issue elsewhere, don't get off-topic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 11:41

AE never seems to change, does it? The assault and dissolution of the Ottoman Empire can be seen as the most critical crisis of Islam in the world. Despite the independence gained by Turkey, the power of a unified Islamic State no longer exists. Islam, once a most influential and powerful world philosophy, has at last crumbled under the "righteous" and "liberal Christian Protestant" (lmao) forces that promises liberation to those that go against it, even condoning atrocities against defenseless people. The massacres in Turkey are mutual. Its not one sided.


Some similar things has happened to China. Both were sickmen, both were nearly carved up by imperialistic forces, both fought some independence wars, in which both had its share of bloody battles and foreign intervention which supported the dying and corrupt monarchy (the Manchu dynasty and the Ottoman Sultanate) and both came out as bloodied Republics only to be abused by the imperialists well rooted and dug in to bash our faces. In my opinion, the world is generally anti-Islam, anti-China and anti-Communist.

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