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    Posted: 13-Feb-2006 at 07:33
Herschel is right: there's no genetic evidence that would link the Kalash to Greece, just a myth.

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Three populations have possible origins from the armies of Alexander the Great: the Burusho, the Kalash, and the Pathans. Modern Greeks show a moderately high frequency of haplogroup 21 (28%; Rosser et al. 2000), but this haplogroup was not seen in either the Burusho or the Kalash sample and was found in only 2% of the Pathans, whereas the local haplogroup 28 was present at 17%, 25%, and 13%, respectively. Greek-admixture estimates of 0% were obtained for the Burusho and the Pathans, but figures of 20%40% were observed for the Kalash (table 3). In view of the absence of haplogroup 21, we ascribe this result either to drift in the frequencies of the other haplogroups, particularly haplogroups 2 and 1, or to the poor resolution of lineages within these haplogroups, resulting in distinct lineages being classified into the same paraphyletic haplogroups.

PAKISTANI                               ADMIXTURE                                     
                                     ESTIMATE
AND SOURCE                  LONG'S
POPULATIONS                    WLS    mR   m[rho]
 
Baluch:
  Syria (a)                   -.08   -.1     0
  Pakistan                    1.08   1.1     1
Balti:
  Tibet (b)                   -.06   -.11    0
  Pakistan                    1.06   1.11    1
Burusho:
  Greece (c)                  -.29   -.22    0
  Pakistan                    1.29   1.22    1
Hazara:
  Mongolia (b)                 .67    .52     .41
  Pakistan                     .33    .48     .59
Kalash:
  Greece (c)                    .4    .32     .23
  Pakistan                      .6    .68     .77
Kashmiri:
  Jews (a)                    -.46   -.36    0
  Pakistan                    1.46   1.36    1
Negroid Makrani:
  Sub-Saharan Africa (b)     .12    .12     .13
  Pakistan                     .88    .88     .88
Pathan:
  Greece (c)                  -.03   -.16    0
  Pakistan                    1.03   1.16    1
  Jews (a)                    -.22   -.55    0
  Pakistan                    1.22   1.55    1
Parsis:
  Iran (d)                    1.21   1.06    1
  Pakistan                    -.21   -.06    0
 
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Re-read that study again. It states that haplogroup 21 is common in the Greeks, but completely absent in the Kalasha. It then goes on to say that this 23% similarity is most likely due to genetic drift.
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Investigation of the Greek ancestry of northern Pakistani ethnic groups using Y chromosomal DNA variation

1Q. Ayub, 1A. Mansoor, 1A. Mohyuddin, 1K. Mazhar, 1S. Siddiqi, 2M. Papaioannou, 3C. Tyler-Smith, 1S.Q. Mehdi
1Biomedical and Genetic Engineering Division, Dr. A.Q. Khan Research Laboratories, P.O. Box 2891, Islamabad 44000, Pakistan, 2Unit of Prenatal Diagnosis, Center for Thalassemia, Laiko General Hospital, Athens, Greece, 3CRC Chromosome Molecular Biology Group, Department of Biochemistry, University of oxford, Oxford, UK

Pakistan lies in a region that has witnessed multiple invasions and migrations over the centuries. Alexander the Great invaded the Indian sub-continent in 327-325 B.C. and three northern Pakistani populations, the Burusho, the Kalash and the Pathan claim descent from Greek soldiers who were left behind in this region. The Burusho reside in the Hunza and Nagar valleys, which are located in the Karakorum Mountains and speak the language isolate Burushaski. The Kalash have been isolated for centuries in the Hindu Kush mountain ranges of northern Pakistan and speak Kalasha, an Indo-European language. The Pathan tribes inhabit the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan and the southern and eastern parts of neighboring Afghanistan. They speak Pushto, also an Indo-European language. To investigate the male-line genetic relationship between the extant Greek population and the three Pakistani ethnic groups, 16 binary unique event polymorphisms, and 16 multiallelic, short-tandem-repeat (STR) loci, mapping on the non-recombining portion of the human Y chromosome were typed in 910 individuals. The combination of the biallelic markers identified 7 stable Y chromosomal lineages in the Greek, Burusho and Pathan populations and 5 in the Kalash. Haplogroups 1, 2, 3 and 9 were present in all four populations. The M20 A to G transition (haplogroup 28) was found in all three Pakistani populations but was absent in the Greeks. This polymorphism probably originated in or near Pakistan as it has not been found at a significant frequency except in this area. Haplogroup 21 was frequent in the Greeks but in these Pakistani populations was found only in the Pathans. Based upon haplogroup frequencies, 65-88% Greek admixture was estimated for the Kalash, consistent with a Greek origin for a significant proportion of Kalash Y chomosomes. However, the Kalash lack haplogroup 21 chromosomes and appeared distinct from the Greeks based upon principal components analysis of haplogroup frequencies and weighted population pairwise FST values based on STR variation within Y Haplogroups.

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I think there would definately be retained words of Greek origin in the Kalash language if they were descended from Greek soldiers, because they are so isolated, and ones apart from the IE root words... their langauge is Irano-Dardic (characteristics of both but more Dardic leaning).

Pasting pictures of fair Kalash does not prove they have Greek ancestry, far from it.  They are descended from an Aryan branch (probably Scythians/Saka).  You can find people in deepest Kashmir of similar complexion and others dotted from there through Afghanistan, Iran and into Turkley and Northern Iraq.

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Originally posted by Zagros

I think there would definately be retained words of Greek origin in the Kalash language if they were descended from Greek soldiers, because they are so isolated, and ones apart from the IE root words... their langauge is Irano-Dardic (characteristics of both but more Dardic leaning).

Pasting pictures of fair Kalash does not prove they have Greek ancestry, far from it.  They are descended from an Aryan branch (probably Scythians/Saka).  You can find people in deepest Kashmir of similar complexion and others dotted from there through Afghanistan, Iran and into Turkley and Northern Iraq.

That's why we post the results of some researches which you have not looked at. Btw read something about the life and culture of Kalash:

When the great hero and general, Alexander, who was as great as the god Apollo and Zeus, left his troops here, he asked them to stay here in this land without changing their beliefs and traditions, their laws and culture until he returned from the battles in the East. This is a story that is told not in a village in Greece but on the the mountainsides of the great Hindu Kush. In this remote area of the northwestern region of Pakistan lives a peculiar tribe, the Kalash. The Kalash proclaim with pride that they are the direct descendents of Alexander the Great. There are many similarities between them and the Hellenes of Alexander the Great's time. Similarities such as religion, culture, and language reinforce their claims to Hellenic ancestry.

The Kalash are a polytheistic people, meaning that they believe in many gods. The gods that they believe in are the twelve gods of Ancient Greece which makes them the only people who continue this worship! Gods such as Zeus, the god of gods, Apollo, the god of the sun, and Aphrodite, the goddess of beauty, are such gods that they pay homage to. Shrines which are found in every Kalash village remind us of the religious sanctuaries we would stumble across in Ancient Greece. They serve as houses of worship where prayers and sacrifices are offered. Oracles who played a major role in acting as mediators and spokespeople between the gods and the mortals still hold a position of importance in the social structure of the Kalash. Every question or prayer towards the gods is usually followed by a sacrifice of an animal. It is reminiscent of the sacrifices the Hellenes gave to the gods to assure them a victory over the city of Troy.

Religions always possess certain traditions and rituals which are observed by their followers. The Kalash practice a ritual that is celebrated on August 6th. This feast day is named the Day of the Transfiguration. It is the day where the grapes are brought out to the god Dionysus to be blessed and to guarantee them of a plentiful crop. This ritual can be traced back to Ancient Greece where it was practiced by the cult of Dionysus who paid their respect to the god of fertility and wine. An active member of the cult of Dionysus was Olympia, mother of Alexander the Great, who is said to have recruited many of her son's soldiers and who in return practiced it throughout their expedition.

The Kalash also live a lifestyle that can be positively compared to that of the Ancient Greeks. Let us start with the observation of their homes. The Kalash are the only people in the East who make and use accessories such as chairs and stools that cannot be found anywhere else in the surrounding regions! Their chairs are decorated with drawings such as the ram's horns which symbolize the horns that decorated Alexander the Great's helmet. Battle scenes depicting Greek soldiers are also observed. In the recent archaeological discoveries in Vergina, Greek archaeologists found the exact same replicas as the ones the Kalash use in their homes (National Herald, pg. 7).

As we know, Pakistan is a nation ruled by Islamic law. Under the law of the Koran alcohol consumption is prohibited. When we enter the region of the Kalash we encounter fields that are inhabited by grape vines. The Kalash are the only people who produce and consume wine and indulge themselves in feasts such as for the aforementioned feast of Dionysus. Greeks such as Socrates would participate in wine feasts such as we come across in the Symposium. Their feasts are always followed by songs and dances. The Kalash dance in a cyclical motion and the men usually follow it by loud cries of i-a and i-o which can be traced back to the battle cries let loose by Alexander's soldiers. There is a saying held by the Pakistanis who state that only the Greeks and the Kalash whistle in such a way.

In 1896 a British explorer by the name of George Robertson visited the Kalash and did a study on them. He concluded that fifty percent of the Kalash's language derives from Ancient Greek. Such similarities can be found in their gods' names. Zeus is called Zeo, Aphrodite is called Frodait, the name Dionysus has kept the same pronounciation. The Kalash have words such as demos meaning city-state and use the word "ela" as an imperative command meaning come here. There was recently a tablet found in a village of the Kalash whose message was in the form of hieroglyphics. When the code was deciphered the message read, "Alexander the Great lives forever" (National Herald, pg.8).



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I wonder why you quote a guy of 1896 and not someone from 1996. The Kalasha are alive and kicking...

But they arent Greek.

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Originally posted by Zagros

I think there would definately be retained words of Greek origin in the Kalash language if they were descended from Greek soldiers, because they are so isolated, and ones apart from the IE root words... their langauge is Irano-Dardic (characteristics of both but more Dardic leaning).

Pasting pictures of fair Kalash does not prove they have Greek ancestry, far from it.  They are descended from an Aryan branch (probably Scythians/Saka).  You can find people in deepest Kashmir of similar complexion and others dotted from there through Afghanistan, Iran and into Turkley and Northern Iraq.

That's why we post the results of some researches which you have not looked at. Btw read something about the life and culture of Kalash:

When the great hero and general, Alexander, who was as great as the god Apollo and Zeus, left his troops here, he asked them to stay here in this land without changing their beliefs and traditions, their laws and culture until he returned from the battles in the East. This is a story that is told not in a village in Greece but on the the mountainsides of the great Hindu Kush. In this remote area of the northwestern region of Pakistan lives a peculiar tribe, the Kalash. The Kalash proclaim with pride that they are the direct descendents of Alexander the Great. There are many similarities between them and the Hellenes of Alexander the Great's time. Similarities such as religion, culture, and language reinforce their claims to Hellenic ancestry.

The Kalash are a polytheistic people, meaning that they believe in many gods. The gods that they believe in are the twelve gods of Ancient Greece which makes them the only people who continue this worship! Gods such as Zeus, the god of gods, Apollo, the god of the sun, and Aphrodite, the goddess of beauty, are such gods that they pay homage to. Shrines which are found in every Kalash village remind us of the religious sanctuaries we would stumble across in Ancient Greece. They serve as houses of worship where prayers and sacrifices are offered. Oracles who played a major role in acting as mediators and spokespeople between the gods and the mortals still hold a position of importance in the social structure of the Kalash. Every question or prayer towards the gods is usually followed by a sacrifice of an animal. It is reminiscent of the sacrifices the Hellenes gave to the gods to assure them a victory over the city of Troy.

Religions always possess certain traditions and rituals which are observed by their followers. The Kalash practice a ritual that is celebrated on August 6th. This feast day is named the Day of the Transfiguration. It is the day where the grapes are brought out to the god Dionysus to be blessed and to guarantee them of a plentiful crop. This ritual can be traced back to Ancient Greece where it was practiced by the cult of Dionysus who paid their respect to the god of fertility and wine. An active member of the cult of Dionysus was Olympia, mother of Alexander the Great, who is said to have recruited many of her son's soldiers and who in return practiced it throughout their expedition.

The Kalash also live a lifestyle that can be positively compared to that of the Ancient Greeks. Let us start with the observation of their homes. The Kalash are the only people in the East who make and use accessories such as chairs and stools that cannot be found anywhere else in the surrounding regions! Their chairs are decorated with drawings such as the ram's horns which symbolize the horns that decorated Alexander the Great's helmet. Battle scenes depicting Greek soldiers are also observed. In the recent archaeological discoveries in Vergina, Greek archaeologists found the exact same replicas as the ones the Kalash use in their homes (National Herald, pg. 7).

As we know, Pakistan is a nation ruled by Islamic law. Under the law of the Koran alcohol consumption is prohibited. When we enter the region of the Kalash we encounter fields that are inhabited by grape vines. The Kalash are the only people who produce and consume wine and indulge themselves in feasts such as for the aforementioned feast of Dionysus. Greeks such as Socrates would participate in wine feasts such as we come across in the Symposium. Their feasts are always followed by songs and dances. The Kalash dance in a cyclical motion and the men usually follow it by loud cries of i-a and i-o which can be traced back to the battle cries let loose by Alexander's soldiers. There is a saying held by the Pakistanis who state that only the Greeks and the Kalash whistle in such a way.

In 1896 a British explorer by the name of George Robertson visited the Kalash and did a study on them. He concluded that fifty percent of the Kalash's language derives from Ancient Greek. Such similarities can be found in their gods' names. Zeus is called Zeo, Aphrodite is called Frodait, the name Dionysus has kept the same pronounciation. The Kalash have words such as demos meaning city-state and use the word "ela" as an imperative command meaning come here. There was recently a tablet found in a village of the Kalash whose message was in the form of hieroglyphics. When the code was deciphered the message read, "Alexander the Great lives forever" (National Herald, pg.8).

I doubt all of that is accurate. The Kalash worship at least 13 Gods, the main one isnt Zeus, someone called Khodai. This is the Persian word given to Tengri, the sky God, also worshipped by the ancient Turks (who also believed in many Gods, like the Kalash).

- If you're going to look for Greek descendancy in Pakistani populations, you're best chance would be in the Pathan population. They have some similarities to Greek Y-chromosome structure, perhaps more importantly, some contain E3b.

Median-joining networks of STR haplotypes revealed considerable sub-structuring of Y variation within the Kalash and Burusho, and in particular the haplogroup 21 network showed that the Pathan chromosomes were closely related to the central Greek cluster.

http://hgm2002.hgu.mrc.ac.uk/Abstracts/Publish/WorkshopPoste rs/WorkshopPoster11/hgm0533.htm  

I've little doubts, some Pathans (a minority) do have Greek antescendency, but perhaps only a few hundred thousand (there's about 16 million Pathans in Pakistan). Most Pathans I think are from the North West Caspian area.



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Some people in this forum try to dispute this theory because of slight things. All these are results of the searches. The greek contribution to Kalash is likely to be larger than to Pathans. You cannot refute their whole worship, their ceremonies, their language, the way that their houses are constructed, their customs, their claims. 

Some of you dispute a tradition and a theory of a tribe which is alive for 2000 years. And the best of all is that you are certain about it: "No they are not of greek origin". Why? Maybe because you like it or because you are scientists and you know the truth firsthand. This theory is something that people of this tribe support and not the result of some kind of propaganda. If they claimed origin of romans or egyptians would it be such a controversy against them?

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I actually believe these people are what remains of the Turanians of the Avesta and Shahnameh.  Because they only differed in religion with Gatha Iranians and they lost the war as described in the gathas and were vanquished.

This is when the Iranians diffused on an ideoligical basis and split off into various branches.



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Richard F. Strand claims that the Nuristanis/Kalasha were actually much widespread than thought before and occupied the upper and lower Kabul valley's, possible even around Ghazni, Laghman, and Kurram valleys. 

It is also theorized that it was the subsequent invasions by Muslim conquerors like Ghaznavi and his Turkish, Tajik, and Pashtun soldiers who overran their depopulated territorities and forced them into the high mountains where they would regularly attack the newly settled peoples.

The land disputes between the Kafirstanis/Nuristanis and the Pashtuns in Eastern Afghanistan caused Abdur Rahman Khan to invade the country and forcibily convert them to Islam.

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well, some pashtun from afghanistan are said to be descendents of the ancient greeks mixed with the persian blood. greek plus persian=pashtun. recent dna studies prove it. some pashtuns are descendents of the ancient hebrews. the persians are aryans. this has all been proved scientifically no matter if one denies it.
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Actually your science has been proven wrong.  Notice I said 'your' science.  I'm Pashtun and I just had a DNA study done on myself and it says my Haplogroup is R1a1.  That Haplogroup is known as the diagnostic Indo-Iranian marker.
 
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Actually your science has been proven wrong.  Notice I said 'your' science.  I'm Pashtun and I just had a DNA study done on myself and it says my Haplogroup is R1a1.  That Haplogroup is known as the diagnostic Indo-Iranian marker.
 
The Hebrew theory is fake.
 
If the ancient Greek-Pashtun Y DNA haplogroup E3b study has any validity, you may have partial descent from ancient Greeks, no matter how small. It's quite possible that one of your ancestral fathers was an E3b.
 
It may be ironic that you, a Pashtun, may be in small part descended from ancient Greeks while, I, a Greek, may have little or no descent from ancient Greeks. My parents are from one of the possibly few areas in Greece where there was depopulation and repopulation, from what I read. My area was, based on place names, populated by Slavs, and based on other information, possibly populated by Albanians. Unlike the Arvanites of Greece, though, my family does not have an Albanian linguistic history, at least not within the last 100 or so years. None of my relatives know Albanian, but there have been some Albanian-based surnames that I am aware of, such as Gikas and Bishas.
 
I sadly report that there is not yet a genetic study on central Arcadia in Greece. This is a controversial area, in regards to population genetics and descent from ancient Greeks. It should be studied. It's easy to see that in Salonica and other big cities, there are people with putatively ancient Greek- and Neolithic ancestry.  
 
I have recently seen pictures of Pashtuns, and I don't see much of a resemblance with Greeks. Pashtuns look for the most part like indigenous people. But if Greek exists in some Pashtuns' genes, it is admixed.
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But who says the majority of soldiers in Alexander's campaign were Greeks or Macedonians?  They could have been mercenaries or new soldiers from Babylonia & Persia or elsewhere.

The Greek/Hellenistic culture in Afghainstan lasted longer than the Greeks themselves.  Even that culture fell to the curse of Afghanistan, and that is regionalism and tribalism, with city states quarreling with each other. 
 
The Greek/Macedonian invasion in Afghanistan was brief and did not last long.  However, the Scythian, Kushan (Tocharian and Scythian Confederations) made a bigger impact in the makeup of Afghans today than anything else (IMO).  After them, came the Kitharite and Ephtalite Huns, The Turks, the Perso-Arabs, and finally more Turks & Mongols, until the point the Afghans became rulers of the land that is Afghanistan today.
 
I know that my father's ancestors were nomads.  My mother's was more settled, so its possible that my material DNA is more diverse, but I haven't been able to conclude that yet.
 
 
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But who says the majority of soldiers in Alexander's campaign were Greeks or Macedonians?  They could have been mercenaries or new soldiers from Babylonia & Persia or elsewhere.

The Greek/Hellenistic culture in Afghainstan lasted longer than the Greeks themselves.  Even that culture fell to the curse of Afghanistan, and that is regionalism and tribalism, with city states quarreling with each other. 
 
The Greek/Macedonian invasion in Afghanistan was brief and did not last long.  However, the Scythian, Kushan (Tocharian and Scythian Confederations) made a bigger impact in the makeup of Afghans today than anything else (IMO).  After them, came the Kitharite and Ephtalite Huns, The Turks, the Perso-Arabs, and finally more Turks & Mongols, until the point the Afghans became rulers of the land that is Afghanistan today.
 
I know that my father's ancestors were nomads.  My mother's was more settled, so its possible that my material DNA is more diverse, but I haven't been able to conclude that yet.
 
 
 
Right. Like I said, the Pashtun people I saw look to me like they're indigenous or from some other peoples who are not from southeast Europe. I still find the DNA study intriguing, especially in that there are close matches with modern Greek Macedonians and by extension perhaps with some Slavic Macedonians who belong to E3b.
 
There was probably a strong Greek element, at least cultural, in Alexander's army. From what I can remember, Greek-style cities were founder in Afghanistan (Ai Khanoum?), with Greek names, and there is a Greek element in early Buddhist art of the region, among other things.
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I think that the explanation of the unusual for the region appearance of Kalasha (white skin, blue eyes, blond hair etc.) is very simply explained by the fact that a lot of ancient Irano-Skythian people looked like that.

There are a lot of dipictions of these people in Chinese chronicles and even ancient Chinese pictures of them.

I believe it would really too complicated to look for the greek roots of Kalasha. It's much more reliable just to explain their appearance and the set of believes by their ancient Skytho-Iranian origins.

The same thing is true about Pushtuns. The similarity between the genetic samples of the people of Afganistan and Pakistan with the people of Eastern Europe is easily explained by the fact that eastern european Slavic people also absorbed a considerable amount of Skytho-Iranians in their forming ehtinicities and thus they simply have common ancestors with central asian and afghan people.

In central asia however there was also a huge input of Turkic blood which is not the case for Afghanistan were people were able more or less to keep their original Indoeuropean genetic composition.

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"Tocharian donors", possibly the "Knights with Long Swords" of Chinese accounts, depicted with light hair and light eye color and dressed in Sassanian style. 6th century AD fresco, Qizil, Tarim Basin. Graphical analysis reveals that the third donor from left is performing a Buddhist vitarka mudra. These frescoes are associated with annotations


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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2007 at 21:50
The thing is, Indo European speaking peoples have entered the Indian Subcontinent not just once, or twice, but probably half a dozen times or more.
 
In Afghanistan, we have the Tocharians, the Scythians, the Persians, Macedonians (and their mixed army of Greeks, Babylonians, Persians, Lydians, etc), the Kushans (Tocharian and Scythian federations), the Iranian Huns, and more.  All these different factions that came in different times, different centuries, who amalgamated, or submerged into the dominant cultural norm.
 
To say that they are descendants of Greeks is like calling black car white because of a few white scratches.
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote HEROI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jul-2007 at 06:14

I dont think that Pashtuns look alot like greeks,having said that though,there is a greek population who does have similaritys with the pashtun,Greeks (like any balcan,or even europian country) no matter what their government might like or their army or church,are not at all the same people,and this can be easely told by their looks.I have not done any research in the matter,but i think that just by looking at them i do find similarities betwen some greeks and pashtun.

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  Quote Flipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jul-2007 at 06:20
I have a friend from the area who does not belong to any of those people. He told me they basically look like a mix of asiatic and greek people. From postcards he has sent me I can agree with him on certain facial characteristics like for example the eyes.

From athropological researches i've checked there is evidence of greek genetic mixture. It is not very high but it exists. So, i believe those people have some relation to the mixed marriages that occured a long time ago. It is not a crazy scenario.


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