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    Posted: 16-Jun-2005 at 01:36
To animal weretiger,
Yes, the miniseries is available in the states.
10 dvds (all region) 30 chapters.
in google, type Genghis Khan TVseries.
More than 1 source is available. Get your chinese girlfriend
or wife to translate if you are a white dude like me.

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  Quote poirot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2005 at 06:01

cliveersknell:

Here is my feedback on the television series:

a. I would have enjoyed it more if the series were filmed in Mongolian with Chinese or English subtitles.  I prefer historical authenticity.

b. The series blantantly glorifies Genghis Khan and salutes him as an "unifier" of China.  It (at least the introduction) supports a popular notion that Genghis Khan was a Chinese hero.  I disagree.

c. The series does not dwell deeply on Genghis Khan's campaign west against Kwararsim Shah and the Kipchaks.  This is, however, because of extensive film editing.  There is a legitimate reason: the issues touched by Genghis Khan's western campaign is too controversial, given the events following 9-11 and the war in Afghanistan.

d. Besides the above mentioned complaints, I found the series to be one of the most historically accurate ever fillmed.  I am very very glad that it is not another John Wayne hopelessly impersonating a Mongolian warrior.  These actors are REAL MONGOLIANS!  They were willing to take a huge pay cut because of their genuine interest in their work.  The historical details, such as Genghis Khan's youth, his rivalry with Jamuga, his campaigns against various states, and the rivalry between Jochi and Chagatai, are relatively accurate, compared to many inaccurate and blantantly shameful television series and movies today.  In addition, Teng Ge Er's song at the end is a blast.

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  Quote vulkan02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2005 at 11:14
poirot do they show any battles? How are they compared to Hollywood??
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  Quote poirot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2005 at 15:28
Yes, they do show battles. 
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Originally posted by Animal Weretiger

No, I dont think a 70 year old man was out in front of the heavy cavalry leading the charge.

believe it, Blcher was in his 70s when he fought at Waterlo.

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  Quote Animal Weretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2005 at 17:03
I would be curious to know if a cavalry charge at waterloo is the same as a cavalry charge on the steppes.  Did Blucher contend hand to hand?
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  Quote cliveersknell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2005 at 01:43
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If you saw the battles the cavalry charges were even better than Waterloo.

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  Quote Animal Weretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2005 at 11:32
No, Ihavent seen the series yet. I'm tracking it down. As for waterloo, I dont know tons about that period of history. That's why I asked in my last post rather than stated. I'm still learning about the steppes type of combat but I havent even begun studying the napoleonic stuff yet.
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  Quote vulkan02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 13:14
here is some pics I found recently.





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  Quote jstampfl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 20:23
Here are two photos from the Mongolian National History Museum.


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  Quote Conan the destroyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jun-2005 at 04:48

Some mongol armour from the invasion of Japan

http://chinese-armour.freewebspace.com/images/arm11a.jpg

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  Quote Animal Weretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jun-2005 at 15:25

These pictures are beautiful! Thank you all very much for taking the time to do this. I am in the midst of redoing my own lamellar and these pictures are very helpful in making it more authentic. Please post whatever you find!

Thank you!

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  Quote poirot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2005 at 19:38

You are welcome, here is some more



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  Quote mord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2005 at 21:14

OH NEAT!  WOW!

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  Quote mord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2005 at 21:20

Now, that I'm over being ashtonished, I must admit that Vulkan02's posts of pictures (where did you get them?) solve some problem is Early Medieval Carolingian armor.  There's been an arguement over whether the body armor was mail or lammelar--now seeing how the lammelar looks and hangs gives more backing to the lammelar point of view.

Thanks very much.

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  Quote vulkan02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2005 at 12:05
thats from the Mongolian National museum .. simply click on the pic and copy image location
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  Quote mord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2005 at 15:26

Originally posted by vulkan02

thats from the Mongolian National museum .. simply click on the pic and copy image location

Thanks.

Also, try: www.uakron.edu/china/ch-armor.html

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  Quote Animal Weretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 17:15
Those are amazing pictures. My new lamellar is going to turn out WAY better because of your help. All of you. Thank you!
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  Quote Animal Weretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 23:28

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/ratangei/Me.jpg

 

This is my lamellar. Thanks to you who posted pictures, you helped a lot. I appreciate it.

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  Quote poirot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 23:47
Nice! Is that you wearing the lamellar?  You look like a famous Celtic Chieftan!!!
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