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    Posted: 09-Jul-2005 at 16:09

Originally posted by baracuda

"tsar" - Preobrajenski manastir - and the first - Random.. one.. is of turkish architechtural style.. so interesting for it to be a monestery..

The first one /Rilski manastir - 930/ and the Probrajenski manastir are built many years before even the idea for Ottoman's country to be born!!
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The Decani monestary. One of the most beautiful in Kosovo.
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Originally posted by Iskender Bey ALBO

Lol, Im not Greek. The inside of that mosque has eastern influence but look at the archs, they themselves are western Roman in influence. Similar to how Orthodox churchues have them. All your showing me is just more similarity and cultural borrowing....

Anyway yes this is about Orthodox Monasteries


In Bukovina (in Romania) the style (not for all monasteries) is a mix btw gothic an byzantine. You are right about influences of western and eastern but to think that exist (at least in Romania) any kind of ottoman influence is wrong and somehow strange for me, I don't understand how some influence came.
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Lol, Im not Greek. The inside of that mosque has eastern influence but look at the archs, they themselves are western Roman in influence. Similar to how Orthodox churchues have them. All your showing me is just more similarity and cultural borrowing....

Anyway yes this is about Orthodox Monasteries



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Not another greeks-turks war, the topic is about beautiful monasteries. Please!!
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Suleyman Mosque

 

 

 

 

 

a copy is a little exaggeration but They learned from orthodox as always the did.

By the way, Yianis so you think, Ottomans and Turks are different things?

 



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Wrong again. They are not supported just by pillars



Actually, even the interior borrowed alot, from the Hagia Sophia.... A originally orthodox architecture.
As you can see only a small part actually has pillars supporting i. If you meant archs then that would be more correct. yes many do use archs. Similar to how mosques do. BTW, mosques in certain areas of the east got their influence for Roman and western architecture inwhich later eastern influence was applied...

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Face it Baracuda, Ottoman mosques are a copy of Orthodox architecture. Deny it all you want...

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nope thats not what I meant, most churches are supported via pillars internally, where as the mosques you portray as being the same dont have any pillars inside to do the supporting...
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BS, Albania has more monestaries then those two rotting ones in Voskopoje...

Anyway to Baracuda. The insides are different because the religions and how they are praticed are different. We are not talkign about exterior though.
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Some lovely structures.
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http://www.orthodox-monasteries.com


Just look to numbers of monasteries in each country, and I think will be clear where are the most beautiful orthodox monasteries in the world.

http://www.orthodoxlinks.info/orthodoxy/churches/romania/rom monasteries/

And look to the pictures




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a little note, outside appearances of buildings can be fooling, so take a look at the interior.. then you'll see the difference
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Ottoman style = copies of Ortodox Byzantine churches, thats a very big joke... maybe you don't even recognise who actually restored those structures adding to them in that period..


Yes it was maintained by Turks throughout those years. But its core architecture is Orthodox. Today's Ottoman mosques are modelled after the Hagia Sophia, which is also the model for Orthodox churches! They are very similar to each other with differences that have developed as the two cultures grew differently since the fall of Constantinople.

Lets compare;
Orthodox;


Turkish mosque;



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Ok, thanks for evaluating my knowledge based on your ignorance. So please show us "Turkic architecture up to that date". Btw, what date do you reffer to? Before Agia Sophia?

Persians, Arabs? I'm not talking about them, so why do you put in my mouth things I never said?

Persian architecture is unique and has influenced Ottoman a lot as well.

Agia Sophia:

 

Blue mosque:

Picture of Blue Mosque: domes wherever you look
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You dont seem to know much for a person who's hobby is architecture, ... it isnt even worth the argument...

Ottoman style = copies of Ortodox Byzantine churches, thats a very big joke... maybe you don't even recognise who actually restored those structures adding to them in that period.. and perhaps you don't know at all about any of the turkic architectures up to that date also...let alone ottoman style architecture, maybe neither the persians, nor the arabs didnt exist..nor any islamic or pre-islamic architecht.. hail to the all inventing greeks!! sorry balkans !!
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800 years ago you say. So where did it originated exactly, who developed it? I don't suppose in the steppes? Or is it Ottoman (please don't use Turkish for that period of time) same as the Ottoman-style mosques which are exact copies of Orthodox byzantine churches?

Architecture is my hobby so I don't need to "search the internet". I have books to read instead.

Let me repeat, this style flourished in the Balkans and in the coast of Asia Minor (in a much lesser degree). If you want to call it Ottoman, fine by me, in the sense that it was developed in the area dominated at the time by the Ottoman empire.
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Yiannis, if something is derived, founhd, discovered, expanded under Turkish rule by Turkish influence, that's Turkish. This architecture style have been Turkish since 800 years even before our expansion to Balkans and now you come and claim the opposite. Com'on...
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Im not getting paranoid, just look on the internet like I said and you'll see its not that difficult..

It isnt really logical to say its 'balkan' at all, unless now you're claiming that central asia was balkanian, then I've no comments what so ever.
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Baracuda dear, please don't get paranoid, I'm not trying to steal your heritage. But this kind of architecture originated in the Balkan region during the period of Ottoman domination and is commonly found in all countries of the region. It's not "Turkish"!
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Nope Yiannis its not Balkan its Turkish, here are examples for you from turkey and east.









same house renewed



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There are many examples.. I believe they are around 1300 but not sure.. Look up Safranbolu in the internet, but there are sources even earlier than that..

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