Mustafa Kemal Atat�rk

Originally posted by Justice Of course you little Turks will consider him as a hero.He massacred all the bad guys ,saved Turkey,made Turkey ethnicaly pure by Christians state,, and like a true cowboy against the bad Native Americans, saved the day. Everone can state his opinion in democratic countries.The question is : Do you have Democracy in your counry?Or do you want from me to post Turkish Journalists who were prosecuted or went to prison , because they ''Insulted  The Daddy of the Turks''

that is the most idiotic thing i ever heard.It is clear that you have no info on the matter, so take it easy

I just read a writing that critisized him,even it's name did:

"ATAKURD"it was called,so i will lower myself into saying;"come to daddy"

get some info,then we'll talk

no you won't

Yes you will my friend. But I dont think anyone will care your friend and his art for drawing beards.

Dont be that hard on him just because he made a couple of Greek armies swim back to Morea in Aegean...

Well, at least we dont consider our imams or shiks as fathers of our nation, like you pray your archibishops as your Gods...

About artificial histories, what about yours? Have a look at it, maybe there's a couple of facts left, but only from Ottoman documentary...

Massacre? You should be the last one to talk about it. Ataturk didnt like massacrers, and he gave them the necessary punishments. Remember your beloved Smyrna accident?

Our alphabet was changed because even the Turkified/modified Arabic script was too unordinary for Turkish language, so we adopted the modified Latin script that fitted Turkish. Also, the litterates ratio was so low that it was necessary to adopt an easier and more useful alphabet.

And it is forbidden to say "there was no Armenian genocide" in a couple of very developed, democratic, civilized European countries (of course sarcasm) such as Switzerland. I think the "democracy" thing that sometime the Greeks have discovered isnt totally working, huh? Like some other Greek inventions such as "lying"...

abi sallamay�n adam�, iyi niyetli de�il. De�mez horoz d�v���ne.

So it is time to damage the reputation of a man who saved his nation from the greatest of invasions... hmm... Let's see.

As there had been two "such" movements in the pre-republican era in Turkey - during the Ottoman Empire, it is always - and I don't know why - confused. The "Young Turks" movement (I don't know if it is true to call it a movement) took place in late 1870s and resulted in the declaration of the First Turkish Constitution called "Kanun-i Esasi" - basically meaning the Constitution. Because war with Russia started in the same year, it was abolished till 1908. During that time there were representatives in the Ottoman Parliament from all peoples within the Empire - especially Greeks and Armenians. Check out if you don't believe me.

The 1908 "movement" is done by the "�ttihad ve Terakki Cemiyeti" which I'll post the meaning later. Their main concern was to keep the Empire unified by redeclaring the Constitution that has been suspended for more than 30 years. They took over the control by force and they were fully in power in 1913, right before the commence of WWI.

He seems to be a dictator when he had power 1923-1938, but NO dictator had allowed at any time in history to have an oppos�t�on to themselves... Atat�rk tried to form an opposition party twice and not because he was frightened that Turkey wouldn't become a member of the European Union, but he knew the importance of an opposition in a democracy. Those two trials failed as they resulted in somewhat fundamentalist movements against the secular regime...

He never claimed himself socialist; he only stated that the Soviets and the Turkish had something in common - both sides were fighting against Imperialism, that is mainly France and UK at that time.

Massacre in Asia Minor, ha? I don't know who was burning "Smyrna" when retreating back to Greecein 1922?... Why don't you check out what happened in Izmir on May 15th, 1919? Killing 2000 civilians in a week, that I would say is a massacre. The Turks liberated what was rightfully theirs. If the "Ancient People" were massacred, how did somewhat a million Greeks went to Greece with the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923? I would recommend those who don't believe me to watch "Rebetiko" a Greek film about those moved to Greece... Its music is wonderful, really.

My family was actually living in Crete but had to depart because of somethings took place at the beginning of 1900s. Crete declared its independence and guess who organisied it? Mr. Elefterios Venizelos! Let's see... Because of him I live in my present location now... King Constantine of Greece was against to enter WWI, but it was Venizelos who forced the King to go to exile and enter the war. He was or his successors were the ones planned the invasion of Ottoman lands, and would be executed with the rest who were accused to be responsible with the "Anatolian Catastrophe". This is the Greek way of calling The Turkish War of Independence, right? Anyway, if he was that evil, why did Mr. Venizelos - the greatest Greek political figure of 20th Century whose face appears to be on the 50 � Cent coin - later in the future showed Atat�rk - the person you are calling a bloody dictator - as a candidate for the Noble Prize for Peace? I don't think that Venizelos was an idiot. An idiot wouldn't be named the greatest political figure of a nation. Did you know - by any chance - that Venizelos died in EXILE in Paris?

I think one should not just accuse a figure in history just because the imperialist powers wished to break two nations against each other... Venizelos, as I said before, was not an idiot; I respect him personally. So I think some should take him as an example. Woe to the ignorant!...