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    Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 19:49

Tiran and sarejova? If I dont remember wrong, They was built by Turks.

Tirana was certainly NOT built by a Turk. Suleyman Pasha was an Albanian Pasha who came from a village called Mullet in Albania near present day Tirana. The only difference was that he a muslim name. He, however, was purely Albanian....

A Byzantine historian even mentioned the area as   Tirkan where there was castle there originally. The area Tirana also appeared in Venetian records around 1418 in the same way we say it today.



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I think  He was an Ottoman Pasha.And I think Iskender means Ottomans. And If you realy call Ottoman Albanian Pashas as Albanians, You will realy  began to think how much you claim at Ottoman Empire. If I know almost half of the Vezirs of Ottoman is Albanian.

The year 1614 is considered the date that Tirana was founded, when Sulejman Pasha Bargjini built a mosque, a hamam (Turkish bath), a bakery, and several shops.  

If you want to claim Albanian pashas and vezirs , Well you have some right.

So do you know you conqured Egypt too?

 
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How exciting the path of the meandering thoughts of the human mind can be, we started of this topic by discussing minorities and human rights in Greece, and now reached the point where we're debating who built the first bakery in Tirana.
Where will it all end?

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Originally posted by Komnenos

How exciting the path of the meandering thoughts of the human mind can be, we started of this topic by discussing minorities and human rights in Greece, and now reached the point where we're debating who built the first bakery in Tirana.
Where will it all end?

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No, it isnt same with Mecca. Maybe the Greek patriarch is the same with Mecca for Orthodox.

Aya Sofia is like Masjid-i Aksa in Jarusalem...

And it isnt the center of Orthodox Christianity. Fener Rum Patriarch is. It was a mosque until it was converted to a museum by the Turkish Republic. You should be thankful for it, but you still continue on complaining. What would be your reaction if it was still a mosque?

Nope.Whether you like it or not,Constantinople and Agia Sofia was the center of the Eastern Orthodox Christianity and it will continue to be as long as Christians Orthodoxs continue to exist.I should be thankfull for what?It is not a working as a church although it was build for this purpose while the universality of the Patriarch of Constantinople is not even recognized by the Tukish state.For this i should be gratefull?You can keep it.
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Recognized by the Tukish state?
That is the least we should demand, did you forgot about the orphanage on the island of Prinkipos confiscated by the Turkish goverment for no obvious reason and the rest of the 400 prime real estate lands also confiscated?

All sources mention that the value of these lands was worth BILLIONS of $ Now, last August to be exact they passed a new law that gives them 'new lands'. The proposed lands aren't even 1/40th of the value of the original lands.

If we take a look at the Hellinic minority of Turkey, we find that they are also persecuted, for what reason? but of course for their lands.
Their lands have an estimated value of approx. 10 BILLION $ which are also under the process of expropriation.
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talk about diverting the topic
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Recognized by the Tukish state?
That is the least we should demand, did you forgot about the orphanage on the island of Prinkipos confiscated by the Turkish goverment for no obvious reason and the rest of the 400 prime real estate lands also confiscated?

All sources mention that the value of these lands was worth BILLIONS of $ Now, last August to be exact they passed a new law that gives them 'new lands'. The proposed lands aren't even 1/40th of the value of the original lands.

If we take a look at the Hellinic minority of Turkey, we find that they are also persecuted, for what reason? but of course for their lands.
Their lands have an estimated value of approx. 10 BILLION $ which are also under the process of expropriation.
I have not forgot it,but i do not want to continue more on this subject  right now. 
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He was an ottoman Pasha of Albanian origins ruling his own land.... So sorry, he was Albanian. its when they start leaving then I lose interest(such as Mehmet Ali). Not to mention it's very does not have anything to do with anything Turkish. The city was founded by an Ottoman Pasha who was born in Albania and was of Albanian origins.....  



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Iskender a interesting way of thinking. Let change it a little

The city was founded by an Ottoman Pasha who was born in Albania, who rised at ottoman culture(turk?) and was of Albanian origins.....

We can say this both Iskender Bey and Mehmet Ali. Hmm? what do you think?

Blood or culture?

 
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We can say this both Iskender Bey and Mehmet Ali. Hmm? what do you think?

Iskender was the name YOU gave him after you forced him to become a janissary. His real name was Gjergj Kastrioti. Samething with this guy.

The city was founded by an Ottoman Pasha who was born in Albania, who rised at ottoman culture(turk?) and was of Albanian origins.....

Can you prove he has a Turkish identity? Or do all moder day muslim descend from Turks. In order for him to take power, he thad to take one of those name and well become muslim..... He ruled his people, he was born in the land. And there really is no way for you to prove he was he had a Turkish idenity and was not just muslim....

 
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I think  he is a devsirme am I wrong?

 
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Whatever....

Anyway, i will no longer be responding the posts about Tirane or other things involving Albanian history as this is a topic about human rights in Greece.



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